Why you SHOULD'NT by a brand new car
Discussion
Why do people buy brand new cars?
During the building of a new car in a factory, what happens when it gets damaged?. Of course, the manufacturer does NOT throw it in a skip. It is repaired, regardless of the degree of damage, and sent out to be sold through the dealer network.
How many people have driven your new car BEFORE you get to drive it. The average is 15. It's probably nearer 30. Do you really think that (A), your car is as 'brand new' as you think, and (B), do you seriously think that those circa 30 drivers really care who will ultimately pay for and own that new car.
In 2014 buying a brand new car is a total waste of money. You gain NOTHING from buying brand new but you THINK you've bought peace of mind. You bought nothing of the sort, just paid far too much money for something that you could have bought far cheaper elsewhere. Used, and around 6 months/1 year old.
The secret?.
75% of people fail to do the most obvious thing BEFORE jumping into a purchase with their eyes shut. They fail to do their research. The internet provides everyone with the most comprehensive vehicle for obtaining that research, and STILL they fail to do it.
I source and buy cars for a living. Too many times I buy cars from private people who complain about the huge loss they've had to endure in order to dispose of it, after buying it brand new. My comment is to ask them if they could have bought this car for the price I am paying them, would they have done that. The answer is always 'yes'. So I ask them why they didn't. No answer.
Another fallacy that is annoying. NO car manufacturers fuel computer readout gives an accurate reading of a cars fuel consumption. They are ALL engineered to give you the false impression of the cars fuel use. My guess is around 10% less fuel used than is true. The ONLY way to check fuel consumption accurately is to fill the car to the top, including the neck, set the trip to zero and drive for 300 - 600 miles. Refill the car again and note the litres used, lets say 45. Divide 45 by 4.546 to give you gallons used, 9.89, and then divide this number into the mileage, lets say 482 miles. This gives a figure of 48.7 miles per gallon. This is the ONLY accurate and true way to check fuel consumption.
A little aside.
German cars are NO better made/engineered/economical/nice to drive than any other car by, (almost), any other manufacturer. If you think that silly badge is SO important - you need to get a life.
During the building of a new car in a factory, what happens when it gets damaged?. Of course, the manufacturer does NOT throw it in a skip. It is repaired, regardless of the degree of damage, and sent out to be sold through the dealer network.
How many people have driven your new car BEFORE you get to drive it. The average is 15. It's probably nearer 30. Do you really think that (A), your car is as 'brand new' as you think, and (B), do you seriously think that those circa 30 drivers really care who will ultimately pay for and own that new car.
In 2014 buying a brand new car is a total waste of money. You gain NOTHING from buying brand new but you THINK you've bought peace of mind. You bought nothing of the sort, just paid far too much money for something that you could have bought far cheaper elsewhere. Used, and around 6 months/1 year old.
The secret?.
75% of people fail to do the most obvious thing BEFORE jumping into a purchase with their eyes shut. They fail to do their research. The internet provides everyone with the most comprehensive vehicle for obtaining that research, and STILL they fail to do it.
I source and buy cars for a living. Too many times I buy cars from private people who complain about the huge loss they've had to endure in order to dispose of it, after buying it brand new. My comment is to ask them if they could have bought this car for the price I am paying them, would they have done that. The answer is always 'yes'. So I ask them why they didn't. No answer.
Another fallacy that is annoying. NO car manufacturers fuel computer readout gives an accurate reading of a cars fuel consumption. They are ALL engineered to give you the false impression of the cars fuel use. My guess is around 10% less fuel used than is true. The ONLY way to check fuel consumption accurately is to fill the car to the top, including the neck, set the trip to zero and drive for 300 - 600 miles. Refill the car again and note the litres used, lets say 45. Divide 45 by 4.546 to give you gallons used, 9.89, and then divide this number into the mileage, lets say 482 miles. This gives a figure of 48.7 miles per gallon. This is the ONLY accurate and true way to check fuel consumption.
A little aside.
German cars are NO better made/engineered/economical/nice to drive than any other car by, (almost), any other manufacturer. If you think that silly badge is SO important - you need to get a life.
Firstly, buying new gets you the exact spec you want, the latest industry innovation and the full balance of the warranty period.
Secondly, welcome to PH - this post is not likely to go as you expected.
Thirdly, if people didn't buy new, you wouldn't have much of a business sourcing people used cars. But I guess you know that already.
Secondly, welcome to PH - this post is not likely to go as you expected.
Thirdly, if people didn't buy new, you wouldn't have much of a business sourcing people used cars. But I guess you know that already.
nuff saiddatum77 said:
Why do people buy brand new cars?
During the building of a new car in a factory, what happens when it gets damaged?. Of course, the manufacturer does NOT throw it in a skip. It is repaired, regardless of the degree of damage, and sent out to be sold through the dealer network.
How many people have driven your new car BEFORE you get to drive it. The average is 15. It's probably nearer 30. Do you really think that (A), your car is as 'brand new' as you think, and (B), do you seriously think that those circa 30 drivers really care who will ultimately pay for and own that new car.
In 2014 buying a brand new car is a total waste of money. You gain NOTHING from buying brand new but you THINK you've bought peace of mind. You bought nothing of the sort, just paid far too much money for something that you could have bought far cheaper elsewhere. Used, and around 6 months/1 year old.
The secret?.
75% of people fail to do the most obvious thing BEFORE jumping into a purchase with their eyes shut. They fail to do their research. The internet provides everyone with the most comprehensive vehicle for obtaining that research, and STILL they fail to do it.
I source and buy cars for a living. Too many times I buy cars from private people who complain about the huge loss they've had to endure in order to dispose of it, after buying it brand new. My comment is to ask them if they could have bought this car for the price I am paying them, would they have done that. The answer is always 'yes'. So I ask them why they didn't. No answer.
Another fallacy that is annoying. NO car manufacturers fuel computer readout gives an accurate reading of a cars fuel consumption. They are ALL engineered to give you the false impression of the cars fuel use. My guess is around 10% less fuel used than is true. The ONLY way to check fuel consumption accurately is to fill the car to the top, including the neck, set the trip to zero and drive for 300 - 600 miles. Refill the car again and note the litres used, lets say 45. Divide 45 by 4.546 to give you gallons used, 9.89, and then divide this number into the mileage, lets say 482 miles. This gives a figure of 48.7 miles per gallon. This is the ONLY accurate and true way to check fuel consumption.
A little aside.
German cars are NO better made/engineered/economical/nice to drive than any other car by, (almost), any other manufacturer. If you think that silly badge is SO important - you need to get a life.
Good grief. We really need a vetting process for new members. During the building of a new car in a factory, what happens when it gets damaged?. Of course, the manufacturer does NOT throw it in a skip. It is repaired, regardless of the degree of damage, and sent out to be sold through the dealer network.
How many people have driven your new car BEFORE you get to drive it. The average is 15. It's probably nearer 30. Do you really think that (A), your car is as 'brand new' as you think, and (B), do you seriously think that those circa 30 drivers really care who will ultimately pay for and own that new car.
In 2014 buying a brand new car is a total waste of money. You gain NOTHING from buying brand new but you THINK you've bought peace of mind. You bought nothing of the sort, just paid far too much money for something that you could have bought far cheaper elsewhere. Used, and around 6 months/1 year old.
The secret?.
75% of people fail to do the most obvious thing BEFORE jumping into a purchase with their eyes shut. They fail to do their research. The internet provides everyone with the most comprehensive vehicle for obtaining that research, and STILL they fail to do it.
I source and buy cars for a living. Too many times I buy cars from private people who complain about the huge loss they've had to endure in order to dispose of it, after buying it brand new. My comment is to ask them if they could have bought this car for the price I am paying them, would they have done that. The answer is always 'yes'. So I ask them why they didn't. No answer.
Another fallacy that is annoying. NO car manufacturers fuel computer readout gives an accurate reading of a cars fuel consumption. They are ALL engineered to give you the false impression of the cars fuel use. My guess is around 10% less fuel used than is true. The ONLY way to check fuel consumption accurately is to fill the car to the top, including the neck, set the trip to zero and drive for 300 - 600 miles. Refill the car again and note the litres used, lets say 45. Divide 45 by 4.546 to give you gallons used, 9.89, and then divide this number into the mileage, lets say 482 miles. This gives a figure of 48.7 miles per gallon. This is the ONLY accurate and true way to check fuel consumption.
A little aside.
German cars are NO better made/engineered/economical/nice to drive than any other car by, (almost), any other manufacturer. If you think that silly badge is SO important - you need to get a life.
NUTTER ALERT. NUTTER ALERT!!
jmorgan said:
Maybe the manufacturers could make them used?
sniffpetrol said:
VW IN RADICAL USED GOLF PLAN
There was surprise in Germany this week as car making giant Volkswagen announced its latest attempt to improve profitability - by building second-hand Golfs. "This really is a very clever plan," claimed one VW insider. "You see our new car sales are not what we would hope and the Golf V has frankly been a disappointment. But whenever anyone is looking for a nice, affordable runabout the experts always tell them to buy a second-hand Golf. I myself was asked to recommend a safe, dependable car for my sister and I had no hesitation in telling her to get a second-hand Golf. Why should used car dealers get all the benefit from the fact that Golfs are about the only used car anyone ever recommends?"
Wolfsburg sources say the radical second-hand Golf programme will start with the second-hand Golf mkIV but there are already plans for an entry-level second-hand Golf based on the Golf mkIII. "These will be authentic second-hand Golfs for the massive second-hand Golf market," said another senior VW source. "We hope to build up stocks of a range of colours and specs but if someone is after a very specific specification, such as a black car with relatively low miles for the year and a dent in the passenger door, we will be able to built that second-hand Golf to order".
As buyers might expect from VW, the new second-hand Golf will feature exceptional attention to detail with a range of authentic second-hand features including faded but still slightly visible stains on upholstery, light curbing to one or more alloy wheels, car wash scratches on bonnets and a funny smell in the interior which will be masked by an air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror and later traced to a rotting peach under the passenger seat.
However, whilst VW's second-hand Golf plan may seem unusual, this is not the first time the car industry has pulled off such a trick. Daewoo have been making cars that feel about a decade out of date for years.
http://www.sniffpetrol.com/issue081.htmlThere was surprise in Germany this week as car making giant Volkswagen announced its latest attempt to improve profitability - by building second-hand Golfs. "This really is a very clever plan," claimed one VW insider. "You see our new car sales are not what we would hope and the Golf V has frankly been a disappointment. But whenever anyone is looking for a nice, affordable runabout the experts always tell them to buy a second-hand Golf. I myself was asked to recommend a safe, dependable car for my sister and I had no hesitation in telling her to get a second-hand Golf. Why should used car dealers get all the benefit from the fact that Golfs are about the only used car anyone ever recommends?"
Wolfsburg sources say the radical second-hand Golf programme will start with the second-hand Golf mkIV but there are already plans for an entry-level second-hand Golf based on the Golf mkIII. "These will be authentic second-hand Golfs for the massive second-hand Golf market," said another senior VW source. "We hope to build up stocks of a range of colours and specs but if someone is after a very specific specification, such as a black car with relatively low miles for the year and a dent in the passenger door, we will be able to built that second-hand Golf to order".
As buyers might expect from VW, the new second-hand Golf will feature exceptional attention to detail with a range of authentic second-hand features including faded but still slightly visible stains on upholstery, light curbing to one or more alloy wheels, car wash scratches on bonnets and a funny smell in the interior which will be masked by an air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror and later traced to a rotting peach under the passenger seat.
However, whilst VW's second-hand Golf plan may seem unusual, this is not the first time the car industry has pulled off such a trick. Daewoo have been making cars that feel about a decade out of date for years.
datum77 in his only other post on PH so far said:
Let me put some of your members right on a number of delicate issues. This rant is riddled with generalisations, but bear with me.
Have been in motor trade 45 years. Never, ever, worked for any main dealers, but do know how they work. They are all under enormous pressure to push the franchised product and the price for all that pushing is that the punter, (you), will get the worst treatment and ultimately the worst deal. Who do YOU think pays for the flash showrooms/coffee machine/air con/heating/business rates. That's right, YOU. It's the same as the silly people that buy overpriced rubbish advertised on TV. YOU pay dearly for it, but IF YOU DID YOUR RESEARCH you could save a great deal of money. People rarely do........
Whenever you wander into a small car sales site, it is a fair bet that you can speak to/deal with the person that owns the business. Wandering into ANY franchised dealer means that even if you asked to see the 'top knob', (in order to complain), you will be told 'he's off on his yacht in the Caribbean'. Having the ability to talk to the man at the top has always been my main criteria when either working for or dealing with a garage.
At a franchised dealer, once you've parted with your money, the salesman no longer wants to have anything to do with you. Any problems are passed straight to the workshop, and a fresh set of negotiations start. You will NEVER have any dealings with the salesman again. In essence you get the deal you deserve...........
One last gripe. I have NEVER understood why people buy Mercedes/BMW/Audi product. There is NOTHING special about any of these products. They are no better/worse than anything else on the road. You pay dearly for those stupid badges. In general the Japanese/South Korean product is the best, but don't have the image that the German products do. So who cares?.
Something of an axe grinder.Have been in motor trade 45 years. Never, ever, worked for any main dealers, but do know how they work. They are all under enormous pressure to push the franchised product and the price for all that pushing is that the punter, (you), will get the worst treatment and ultimately the worst deal. Who do YOU think pays for the flash showrooms/coffee machine/air con/heating/business rates. That's right, YOU. It's the same as the silly people that buy overpriced rubbish advertised on TV. YOU pay dearly for it, but IF YOU DID YOUR RESEARCH you could save a great deal of money. People rarely do........
Whenever you wander into a small car sales site, it is a fair bet that you can speak to/deal with the person that owns the business. Wandering into ANY franchised dealer means that even if you asked to see the 'top knob', (in order to complain), you will be told 'he's off on his yacht in the Caribbean'. Having the ability to talk to the man at the top has always been my main criteria when either working for or dealing with a garage.
At a franchised dealer, once you've parted with your money, the salesman no longer wants to have anything to do with you. Any problems are passed straight to the workshop, and a fresh set of negotiations start. You will NEVER have any dealings with the salesman again. In essence you get the deal you deserve...........
One last gripe. I have NEVER understood why people buy Mercedes/BMW/Audi product. There is NOTHING special about any of these products. They are no better/worse than anything else on the road. You pay dearly for those stupid badges. In general the Japanese/South Korean product is the best, but don't have the image that the German products do. So who cares?.
datum77 said:
Why do people buy brand new cars?
During the building of a new car in a factory, what happens when it gets damaged?. Of course, the manufacturer does NOT throw it in a skip. It is repaired, regardless of the degree of damage, and sent out to be sold through the dealer network.
How many people have driven your new car BEFORE you get to drive it. The average is 15. It's probably nearer 30. Do you really think that (A), your car is as 'brand new' as you think, and (B), do you seriously think that those circa 30 drivers really care who will ultimately pay for and own that new car.
In 2014 buying a brand new car is a total waste of money. You gain NOTHING from buying brand new but you THINK you've bought peace of mind.
You do realise that every secondhand car was at one time a new car? Therefore everything you said might have happened to any new car, might also have happened to any secondhand car?During the building of a new car in a factory, what happens when it gets damaged?. Of course, the manufacturer does NOT throw it in a skip. It is repaired, regardless of the degree of damage, and sent out to be sold through the dealer network.
How many people have driven your new car BEFORE you get to drive it. The average is 15. It's probably nearer 30. Do you really think that (A), your car is as 'brand new' as you think, and (B), do you seriously think that those circa 30 drivers really care who will ultimately pay for and own that new car.
In 2014 buying a brand new car is a total waste of money. You gain NOTHING from buying brand new but you THINK you've bought peace of mind.
E.g. 30 people have driven that new car? Well, 35 people have driven that secondhand car.
Car damaged at the factory and sold as new? Same 'damaged' car gets sold as a secondhand car later in life. Maybe it's been further damaged along the way.
This must be the dumbest post I've read on PH for a while.
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