Is it safe to drive without a TRE secured?
Is it safe to drive without a TRE secured?
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eltax91

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10,763 posts

236 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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Hi guys

My brothers snotter failed its mot on two track rod end ball joints. He popped down earlier and we have managed to change one without issues, after much knuckle skinning etc.

On the other side, we cannot move the nut on the tie rod at all. Because of the state of the old ones, they have clearly been adjusted to take up slack in the ball joint previously, the wheel is miles out of true with the new TRE fitted right up to the securing nut.

To make the wheel true (ish) the TRE is 5 full turns further along the tie rod. With now a gap between TRE and the securing nut.

No matter how much heat we've used we cannot budge it.

Question is, is it safe for him to drive home this evening and then to a garage first thing tomorrow to get the nut loosened and have the new tyres/ tracking it requires?

It's approx 50 miles for the two journies.

Or, are there serious horror stories and do I need to lend him my car and get a mobile guy out to sort it?

eltax91

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10,763 posts

236 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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Bump. Could so with some advice before he heads home! hehe

ninjacost

980 posts

252 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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I wouldn't risk it personally

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

208 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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I can't work out what you are describing, can you take a picture of the setup.

If not, dont drive it. I've moved a car before that had the track rod end only just put on one turn, fortunately it just came off in the car park at work but not having any steering is not the best feeling smile

Edit;

Just re read it and worked it out (too much beer!).

No, don't drive it. The nut is there for a reason, it is too much of a risk to drive it that far.

Buy a nut splitter from halfrauds or somewhere and take the lock nut off or change the hole tie rod/steering arm.

Edited by Jimmyarm on Tuesday 9th September 19:54

CoolHands

23,492 posts

225 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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imo you need to get the nut moving. Heat and stillsons if it's rounded. Move the nut away from the tre snd then you can adjust properly.

thats if I understsand what you're saying properly.

edit: yes I agree with jimmy - you should not drive it with a gap between the track rod end and the nut. If the track rod end becomes detached that wheel will swivel and you could crash. If it caused a serious accident he would be in the st if that was the cause. Sort it properly or don't drive it is my advice.

Edited by CoolHands on Tuesday 9th September 20:01

skeggysteve

5,724 posts

247 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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Jimmyarm said:
I can't work out what you are describing,
You're not alone!

OP, if you mean you can't undo the nut on the steering 'arm' then I'd suggest it's a left hand thread.

CoolHands

23,492 posts

225 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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^ I assume its seized which is not uncommon.

davepoth

29,395 posts

229 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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As the guys said, don't drive it.

P I Staker

3,308 posts

186 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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It'll be fine OP.

At work after changing a TRE I usually just leave the jam nut loose whilst I take it a run to settle the suspension before doing alignment.

I wouldn't recommend it long term though.


Disclaimer: If you, your brother or anyone else is killed or injured or anything damaged I take no responsibility. hehe

ETA: If concerned just tighten it back up to the jam nut, who cares if the wheel is off center until he gets it aligned.

Edited by P I Staker on Tuesday 9th September 20:09

eltax91

Original Poster:

10,763 posts

236 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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P I Staker said:
It'll be fine OP.

At work after changing a TRE I usually just leave the jam nut loose whilst I take it a run to settle the suspension before doing alignment.

I wouldn't recommend it long term though.


Disclaimer: If you, your brother or anyone else is killed or injured or anything damaged I take no responsibility. hehe

ETA: If concerned just tighten it back up to the jam nut, who cares if the wheel is off center until he gets it aligned.

Edited by P I Staker on Tuesday 9th September 20:09
Doing it all the way to the jam nut, It's so bad that the tyre squeals when you drive it!

In the end, not ideal but we managed to cobble together some washers and make up the space. Wheel was slightly out but he has driven it home without fuss and it's still tight!

The issue is the jam nut though, the hex on the bar itself is nicely rounded off and we could not get any purchase at all. Tried mile grips, stilsons and a spanner, no dice. The nut will not budge, at all.