Do engines loosen up with age?
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Working in the motor trade I've quite often heard people saying that engines loosen up with age, thereby increasing MPG etc. I have to admit that this is a view I've always assumed correct. Some of my other colleagues think it's BS though, and that the engines don't "run in"... It's a myth. I find this hard to believe, I recently ran a 1.6 Auris and the engine felt terribly asthmatic to begin with, loosening up nicely after 2500 miles. Perhaps a new engine over fuels for a few thousand miles? Maybe it beds in mechanically? Maybe it's placebo?
Does anyone know the answer to this??
Does anyone know the answer to this??
in my experience i would say they certainly do, probably due to the liners/piston rings freeing up a bit
but its normally most noticeable when you get about 20k miles on the clock
most German performance cars i have driven over the last few years appear to have a "run in" map that reduces the power a bit for the first 1000 miles or so
but its normally most noticeable when you get about 20k miles on the clock
most German performance cars i have driven over the last few years appear to have a "run in" map that reduces the power a bit for the first 1000 miles or so
engines do certainly have to bed in
i'm not convinced though that means there is any noticeable or even measurable difference in how it performs
i expect what has happened in your car is not that is has loosened up in any way, but you have become accustomed to it, although to be honest i have no idea what loosening up even means, do you mean it seems to have more power now? or change revs more quickly? or rev higher? all of these? something else?
either way i think it's in your head
bozzy101 said:
Working in the motor trade I've quite often heard people saying that engines loosen up with age, thereby increasing MPG etc. I have to admit that this is a view I've always assumed correct. Some of my other colleagues think it's BS though, and that the engines don't "run in"... It's a myth. I find this hard to believe, I recently ran a 1.6 Auris and the engine felt terribly asthmatic to begin with, loosening up nicely after 2500 miles. Perhaps a new engine over fuels for a few thousand miles? Maybe it beds in mechanically? Maybe it's placebo?
Does anyone know the answer to this??
Speak to your other colleagues that have an ounce of common sense... Of course they do. As for the over fuelling option, another internet myth (In my time anyway)Does anyone know the answer to this??
May I ask what dept you work in?
I would say so, but it varies a great degree depending on the engine in question, my Volvo V40 has a 5 cylinder diesel engine that is now on around 25k miles and it seems to respond better than when it was brand new, fuel economy is harder to judge due to the way my driving schedule has changed.
Maybe it's just a placebo effect and I'm going crazy. I'd say diesels have a tendency to have adhere to this "rule" compared to petrol engined cars, from my experience.
Maybe it's just a placebo effect and I'm going crazy. I'd say diesels have a tendency to have adhere to this "rule" compared to petrol engined cars, from my experience.
ging84 said:
engines do certainly have to bed in
i'm not convinced though that means there is any noticeable or even measurable difference in how it performs
i expect what has happened in your car is not that is has loosened up in any way, but you have become accustomed to it, although to be honest i have no idea what loosening up even means, do you mean it seems to have more power now? or change revs more quickly? or rev higher? all of these? something else?
either way i think it's in your head
Well it gained a few MPG and felt a bit more eager through the rev range. I can't rule out this being in my head, but always believed cars do get better over time from reading such in car magazines etc. I was surprised when my colleagues said they thought it was BS though, and some of them have 25 years in the trade! i'm not convinced though that means there is any noticeable or even measurable difference in how it performs
i expect what has happened in your car is not that is has loosened up in any way, but you have become accustomed to it, although to be honest i have no idea what loosening up even means, do you mean it seems to have more power now? or change revs more quickly? or rev higher? all of these? something else?
either way i think it's in your head
Dave Hedgehog said:
most German performance cars i have driven over the last few years appear to have a "run in" map that reduces the power a bit for the first 1000 miles or so
Perhaps this could be a possibility on modern cars instead of the old school approach of using a mineral oil to begin with and swapping out for semi synthetic 1 month in. Ex car mechanic here.
Used to maintain two rep's vauxhall cavalier sri.
One rep drove like your gran,the other drove like he stole it.
The thrashed one was miles quicker,though it drove like a bag of nails.
This backs up the theory that as tolerances increase due to wear,friction reduces thus increased speed. Up to the point it goes bang!
Used to maintain two rep's vauxhall cavalier sri.
One rep drove like your gran,the other drove like he stole it.
The thrashed one was miles quicker,though it drove like a bag of nails.
This backs up the theory that as tolerances increase due to wear,friction reduces thus increased speed. Up to the point it goes bang!
As a young ( right ) car salesman, I had the pleasure of using a Ford Focus 1.6 Edge 3 dr thingy. It was a bit poor to start with. One of my "more experienced" colleagues asked me if i was happy with it's performance, no said I, so he took it for a spin to "loosen it up". Jeeez, it worked. Next trip home, much happier spinning towards red-line, just felt sharper and actually improved economy by approx 3mpg. His trick ?? Drive it up to about 60mph, drop it into 2nd gear 
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