Tax AND insurance dodge......

[Rs2oo]

I have two cars and alternate their use over the year. One I use for six months of the year and the other for the other six months. So, I SORN one car while the other is on road however, my 350Z needed a few jobs doing before the summer including an MOT. clutch tyres etc. Normally I would have to wait to get it insured to run it up to the garage I or have the garage owner pick it up on his Trade Plates. Now though, all I would have to do is swap the number plates. The insured and taxed car plates could go on the uninsured untaxed car and unless Police Patrol Car got behind me and did a check and see the 350Z was not showing up as one, I could get away with it indefinitely in theory. Fixed ANPR's are just a computers and cannot see the body of a Nissan is different to that of a Renault they simply read the registration plate and the tax and insurance is linked to the plate only.

I would like to point out that I won't be this but it can be done or am I missing something ?

[kambites]

Yes you probably would get away with it but if you were caught I suspect it's a much more serious offense than simply driving without insurane or tax.

[xRIEx]

Rs2oo said:

Fixed ANPR's are just a computers and cannot see the body of a Nissan is different to that of a Renault they simply read the registration plate and the tax and insurance is linked to the plate only.

Potentially they could identify vehicle badges, the technology already exists. I doubt we'll see that for a long time though. It might be problematic for the misbadged cars crowd

Even before these latest changes, I have heard of someone with two or three bikes of the same make but a couple of different engine sizes who would swap reg plates and tax, so only keeping one or two insured and tax. Terrible behaviour.

[FRA53R]

xRIEx said:

Potentially they could identify vehicle badges, the technology already exists. I doubt we'll see that for a long time though. It might be problematic for the misbadged cars crowd

I can just imagine it:

'Sir sir! We've got another one! This one is registered as a Chrysler but the visual identity says it's a Bentley!'

[robinessex]

Now the BIG problem with technology being used to monitor everything shows. A camera reads a number plate, the vehicle exists on the database, all the 'yes' boxes are ticked, so it's ok then. Except it's not, because some low life has cloned the number plate from an identical car, and the chances of it being spotted are ridiculously low. Talk about giving an opportunity to the crooks in this world. Vehicle I.D. theft made easy.

[EskimoArapaho]

robinessex said:

Now the BIG problem with technology being used to monitor everything shows. A camera reads a number plate, the vehicle exists on the database, all the 'yes' boxes are ticked, so it's ok then. Except it's not, because some low life has cloned the number plate from an identical car, and the chances of it being spotted are ridiculously low. Talk about giving an opportunity to the crooks in this world. Vehicle I.D. theft made easy.

Um... nothing to do with technology. It would require a preternaturally gifted policeman to spot this, too.

[motoroller]

robinessex said:

Now the BIG problem with technology being used to monitor everything shows. A camera reads a number plate, the vehicle exists on the database, all the 'yes' boxes are ticked, so it's ok then. Except it's not, because some low life has cloned the number plate from an identical car, and the chances of it being spotted are ridiculously low. Talk about giving an opportunity to the crooks in this world. Vehicle I.D. theft made easy.

This already happens. My uncle started receiving speeding and parking tickets apparently for his car, apart from the criminal didn't have the same colour car. When they find a car of the same colour I imagine it would be a difficult scenario to get out of...

[xRIEx]

EskimoArapaho said:

robinessex said:

Now the BIG problem with technology being used to monitor everything shows. A camera reads a number plate, the vehicle exists on the database, all the 'yes' boxes are ticked, so it's ok then. Except it's not, because some low life has cloned the number plate from an identical car, and the chances of it being spotted are ridiculously low. Talk about giving an opportunity to the crooks in this world. Vehicle I.D. theft made easy.

Um... nothing to do with technology. It would require a preternaturally gifted policeman to spot this, too.

Technology could potentially identify cloned cars, based on position and time - e.g. ANPR triggered in Manchester at 10.15am and London at 11.34am then there's something iffy about one of them.

[kambites]

xRIEx said:

EskimoArapaho said:

robinessex said:

Now the BIG problem with technology being used to monitor everything shows. A camera reads a number plate, the vehicle exists on the database, all the 'yes' boxes are ticked, so it's ok then. Except it's not, because some low life has cloned the number plate from an identical car, and the chances of it being spotted are ridiculously low. Talk about giving an opportunity to the crooks in this world. Vehicle I.D. theft made easy.

Um... nothing to do with technology. It would require a preternaturally gifted policeman to spot this, too.

Technology could potentially identify cloned cars, based on position and time - e.g. ANPR triggered in Manchester at 10.15am and London at 11.34am then there's something iffy about one of them.

That's one of the things ANPR could do much better than actual policemen.

[robinessex]

kambites said:

xRIEx said:

EskimoArapaho said:

robinessex said:

Now the BIG problem with technology being used to monitor everything shows. A camera reads a number plate, the vehicle exists on the database, all the 'yes' boxes are ticked, so it's ok then. Except it's not, because some low life has cloned the number plate from an identical car, and the chances of it being spotted are ridiculously low. Talk about giving an opportunity to the crooks in this world. Vehicle I.D. theft made easy.

Um... nothing to do with technology. It would require a preternaturally gifted policeman to spot this, too.

Technology could potentially identify cloned cars, based on position and time - e.g. ANPR triggered in Manchester at 10.15am and London at 11.34am then there's something iffy about one of them.

That's one of the things ANPR could do much better than actual policemen.

Er, that's if they have the capability do link all the ANPR camera databases together. Or if they actually want to. You could of course clone a car that's a bit more local, just hope you don't park next to it in Tescos one day !!

[xRIEx]

robinessex said:

kambites said:

xRIEx said:

EskimoArapaho said:

robinessex said:

Now the BIG problem with technology being used to monitor everything shows. A camera reads a number plate, the vehicle exists on the database, all the 'yes' boxes are ticked, so it's ok then. Except it's not, because some low life has cloned the number plate from an identical car, and the chances of it being spotted are ridiculously low. Talk about giving an opportunity to the crooks in this world. Vehicle I.D. theft made easy.

Um... nothing to do with technology. It would require a preternaturally gifted policeman to spot this, too.

Technology could potentially identify cloned cars, based on position and time - e.g. ANPR triggered in Manchester at 10.15am and London at 11.34am then there's something iffy about one of them.

That's one of the things ANPR could do much better than actual policemen.

Er, that's if they have the capability do link all the ANPR camera databases together. Or if they actually want to. You could of course clone a car that's a bit more local, just hope you don't park next to it in Tescos one day !!

Well yeah, every endeavour requires inclination and capability to be successful.

[Sensibleboy]

Here's another idea. I think cars on laid up policies still appear on the MID. so all appears to be fully insured without paying a full premium.