RE: Land Rover Defender 90: PH Fleet
RE: Land Rover Defender 90: PH Fleet
Thursday 2nd October 2014

Land Rover Defender 90: PH Fleet

The Twisted Defender is driven by other PH staff, the reports are (mostly) positive



That the Twisted Defender hasn't been seen in the PH car park for a few days probably says all you need to know about its popularity; it doesn't stand still for long! We kindly asked our sales bods for their driving impressions but, being so utterly committed to their first jobs, they've not dallied with any editorial whatsoever. Shame. You'll therefore have to excuse us for a slightly shorter Fleet report than usual with just a couple of contributors this month. We'll tell the sales boys their commission is being cut if they don't write anything next time...


"So what's the website again?"
"So what's the website again?"
Nathan writes:
I was really looking forward to driving the Defender. I've hankered after one for a good few years and I was hoping that my love wouldn't be shattered; the great news is that it wasn't. I enjoyed every single mile I've covered in it.

Of course the Twisted Defender isn't a sports car but then it doesn't pretend to be. A lot of the things we normally talk about aren't strictly relevant with the Defender. First impressions are that it goes better than expected and you feel almost invincible driving it. With a few more goodies you sense it would be perfect for a zombie apocalypse; fast enough, capable enough, sturdy enough. Luckily the aforementioned apocalypse hasn't happened yet, so how was it to drive on roads with the living?

I was surprised that the Defender footprint is as small as it is, our '90' has a smaller wheelbase at 2,360mm than a Fiesta (2,489mm). The Defender's size is quite deceiving on first driving it as the front left corner seems a lot further away that it actually is; once you get used to this, the Defender is actually quite suited to town driving. You are able to move in and out of small gaps with relative ease although people do tend to move out of the way for it which is nice. [We've heard Sam has learnt his lesson about being a big jesse driving the Defender originally]

It's noisy to drive, has a bouncy ride compared to a lot of vehicles and the steering is really slow but I can forgive it these foibles as it just looks so good.


"Can I have the Caterham back soon? Please?"
"Can I have the Caterham back soon? Please?"
Matt writes:
Having spent rather too much time in another British motoring icon with a design many decades old, I was willing to cut the Defender some slack. The Caterham and the Defender of course share quite a few traits; both are built with one purpose in mind, both use fairly simple underpinnings including a borrowed Ford engine and both also attract a ton of positive attention. People stare and wave and point, the relatively small size of each removing the intimidation factor often associated with some sports cars and SUVs. That they're both rare and adorned with PH smileys must contribute a little...

But I can't get on with the Defender right now. Not at all. I won't give up on it just yet as I've not tried it off-road but it's far from love at the moment. The Caterham is just so wonderfully communicative that even on a tedious journey it isn't suited to there will be fleeting moments of joy; a perfect downchange, an unexpected exhaust pop, a perfectly clipped apex. It's hard work and tiring sometimes (they both are) but the Caterham always has an upside that I haven't yet found in the Twisted. I'll repeat that I expect this to come when we try it off the tarmac.

The Defender's vagueness that is probably so beneficial off-road is just disconcerting on it. It's laggy and the brakes are wooden and the ride is atrocious. Yes, it does look very cool but I'm just not willing to compromise that far. Nathan is and it seems many others using Defenders as their London wheels are but it's not for me right now. I'll stick to getting cold then hot then deaf in a fabulous little car that can't go off-road for now.


FACT SHEET
Car:
 Twisted Land Rover Defender 90
Run by: Everyone!
On fleet since: August 2014
Mileage: TBC, we've not seen it in the car park for a while
List price new: £50,265.04 (Price as standard for Land Rover Defender 90 Hard Top XS £27,490. Twisted options as follows: Twisted P6 Performance Upgrade £2,064, Twisted Progressive Suspension £2,544, Twisted by Alcon brake upgrade £3,984, Corris Grey paint to grill, vent and wing mirrors £474, Java Metallic to rear crossmember and mud flap brackets £493.50, raised intake vents and premium side vent £94.80, Twisted oval badges £38.40, gloss black Land Rover bonnet badge £168.60, BF Goodrich all-terrain tyres 265/65 R18 £1,389, Twisted 18-inch White Sport alloys £1,734, crystal headlights with stainless bezels £256.80, LED brake, tail, reverse and fog lights plus indicators £672, Twisted Zinc coated, Java metallic LED front bumper £591, stainless steel A2 exterior fixings £486, front roll hoop in black with light mounts £1,554, tubular rear step and towing bracket £591, Twisted 6mm black coated steering guard £348, black chequer plate top to tubular side rails and stainless fixings £270, Twisted exterior decals and number plates £12.60, privacy glass £474, Recaro leather CS seats and Twisted raised subframe £3,123, 350mm sport steering wheel and shallow Twisted boss £339, centre raised arm rest and grainy leather and silver stitch to cubby box £393, grainy leather and silver stitch to dash tops and grab handle £432, Land Rover oval rear load liner £159.54 and rubber mats £88.80)
Last month at a glance: The Defender earns itself some fans (and detractors) in its first full month

Previous reports:
Twisted Defender arrives and there's a scramble for the keys!

[Pics: Tom Begley]





 

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Discussion

Matt Bird

Original Poster:

1,554 posts

235 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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The price is different to the original report as a few Twisted options had been omitted... both updated now!

cybersimon

203 posts

199 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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"Nathan is and it seems many others using Defenders as they're London wheels are but it's not for me right now"

What?

Did you mean 'their London wheels'?

NGK210

5,029 posts

175 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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White wheels. On a Defender. Really?? Or does this 'thing' moonlight as a part-time wedding chariot in Essex during weekends? redcard

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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  • Fifty* *thousand* *pounds*?????
You're completely and utterly mad. You could have a nearly new Disco 4 for that money. Or a recent Range Rover Supercharged. Jesus. (Shakes head.)

loose cannon

6,057 posts

271 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Pull some strings and get it over deepcut D2 course or get over to 7 sisters on Salisbury plain then you will experience the real defender magic !

ess

801 posts

208 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Truly Embarrassing.
Twisted should be hung, drawn and quartered.

This is a Defender. Green, white roof, steelies.
Over and out.


daytona365

1,773 posts

194 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Twisted ? Is that what they call this harsh redecorated throw back from the early 50's military ?......Or does it refer to the buyers spending all of 50k for one ?

Edited by daytona365 on Thursday 2nd October 18:38


Edited by daytona365 on Thursday 2nd October 19:13

johnnywb

1,631 posts

238 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Just had this follow me briefly in SW London. Looked great. Definitely had presence!

jeremyc

28,177 posts

314 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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I think the piece that Matt has really missed is that the Defender makes the perfect tow vehicle for his Caterham.

Then he can have the best of both worlds, enjoying the Caterham on tracks & twisties without the tedium of having to travel in it on motorways for long distances.

Here speaks the voice of experience. biggrin

Hrimfaxi

1,036 posts

157 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Seen this beast in the flesh, I like!

Axionknight

8,505 posts

165 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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It's cool, IMO, but it isn't fifty thousand of my (or anybodies) pounds cool.

oldtimer2

729 posts

163 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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The Defender was conceived and designed as an out and out off roader. The watchword for off roading is "Go as slow as possible and only as fast as necessary". This is the complete opposite to the PH watchword which is "Go as fast as possible and sod the slow bit". So I am surprised that this example has made it into the PH fleet - it can only be because it is free (apart from the cost of the diesel fuel).

The Defender is past its sell by date. I assume that the bone critching vids of the new Discovery Sport doing the 20 mph ditch test, which so pained Dan Trent (see his Paris report), are to soften up the off road diehards for the time the Defender is replaced by a new vehicle based on the new generation of chassis without a chassis frame underbody. We shall see in due course.

kourgath

231 posts

191 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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You see us off-roadie types wouldn't drive over a ditch at 20mph so as a tactic by JLR to soften us up for less than proper off-roader in the new Defender won't work smile

Problem these "city" Defenders have is that the springs have high spring rates and anti-roll bars to make them drive more car-like (read not leaning over at the hint of a corner) which completely messes up their off-road ability and makes them even harsher over potholes etc. My 90 with lovely soft springs rides quite well over the knackered tracks that our Council call roads. biggrin

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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ess said:
This is a Defender.
Was going to say exactly the same thing, but you beat me to it. Shame that you need to promote this ghastly vehicle.

Fattyfat

3,310 posts

226 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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ess said:
Truly Embarrassing.
Twisted should be hung, drawn and quartered.

This is a Defender. Green, white roof, steelies.
Over and out.

Strangely this and I'm usually fond of some aftermarket embellishment.

DonkeyApple

70,125 posts

199 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Hrimfaxi said:
Seen this beast in the flesh, I like!
I drove passed it on the M40 today. Nice looking car. Gave a wave to the Frankie Boyle lookalike behind the wheel.

Imafreeman

117 posts

254 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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£50k lol

I'll take the green and white one with steelies any day and pocket the bling money.

oldtimer2

729 posts

163 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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kourgath said:
You see us off-roadie types wouldn't drive over a ditch at 20mph so as a tactic by JLR to soften us up for less than proper off-roader in the new Defender won't work smile

Problem these "city" Defenders have is that the springs have high spring rates and anti-roll bars to make them drive more car-like (read not leaning over at the hint of a corner) which completely messes up their off-road ability and makes them even harsher over potholes etc. My 90 with lovely soft springs rides quite well over the knackered tracks that our Council call roads. biggrin
I am sure you would not - but there are people in some places around the world where they do so they need to be prepared.

samliggett

163 posts

178 months

The Partnerships Guy

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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DonkeyApple said:
Hrimfaxi said:
Seen this beast in the flesh, I like!
I drove passed it on the M40 today. Nice looking car. Gave a wave to the Frankie Boyle lookalike behind the wheel.
You'll see from my profile although on the site every day (and most evenings!) I tend to be more of a forum voyeur; helps with impartiality when aligned to the dark side(commercial team) but I've risen to the Frankie Boyle bait, the office are going to have great fun with this tomorrow... first Bradley from Eastenders next Damian Lewis and now Frankie Boyle time apparently hasn't been kind of late.

Despite that I have to say your Rangie looked fantastic today! Always loved that shape, reminded me of my Camel Trophy model sat on my shelf as a kid, something along these lines http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-43-LAND-RANGE-ROVER-WI...

BugLebowski

1,036 posts

146 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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£50k on a twisted Defender has to be the stupidest way to waste money I've seen yet.