RE: Mercedes-AMG C63 and GT - Paris 2014
RE: Mercedes-AMG C63 and GT - Paris 2014
Friday 3rd October 2014

Mercedes-AMG C63 and GT - Paris 2014

Inside line on Mercedes-AMG's Paris stars from a (development) man in the know



A busy show for Mercedes at Paris. There is, after all, a facelifted B-Class to talk about. Oh, and a couple of new AMG products too.

Let's concentrate on the latter shall we? The covers actually came off both cars before the show at a preview event but the Mondial de l'Automobile is the public debut for both the Mercedes-AMG GT and the C63. And to get the lowdown on both we had a chat with Oliver Wiech, Director for Vehicle Development at AMG. An Affalterbach man for 16 years his career has seen him working closely alongside now boss Tobias Moers so it's safe to say he's closely aligned with the management regime now in place. Starting with engine development he worked on the Kompressor era M112 V6s and M113 V8s from - respectively - the C32/SLK32 and SL55 (and everything else). He then graduated to managing entire vehicle programmes, starting with the outgoing W204 C63 AMG and now responsible for everything other than the GT.

AMG man Oliver explains all about C63
AMG man Oliver explains all about C63
Given that we already know the technical details and stats for both cars we thought we'd ask Oliver more generally about the shift in 'tone' for both the C63 and GT as AMG continues its evolution from tuner to integrated performance brand within the Mercedes empire. Specifically with the C63 we've got a car that is a lot more sophisticated than its predecessor with a plethora of modes and driver configurable settings. Given it's what rivals offer and what the market expects how can the new car satisfy that demand and yet also keep those who have always enjoyed the straightforward, no frills and plenty of thrills AMG recipe thus far?

"Basically I want a simple car - the boss of the car is the driver, with not too much electronics," says Wiech. "With the outgoing car you had one setting, now we want an open range." This comes with adaptive dampers - supplied by Bilstein - and driver configurable settings via the AMG Dynamic Select. But surely, even using a damper with various settings, the spring rate remains constant and there must be a fixed point or sweet spot where everything works best? Wiech deflects the question, saying the dampers allow true variability and a broader operating window that can accommodate everything from the commute to track days. Will fixed rate passive dampers and the like remain the preserve of Black Series cars and those for more traditional AMG fans? A smile and "Black Series cars are always based on coupes" is the reply.

Next PH long-termer sorted then...
Next PH long-termer sorted then...
Launching the C63 and GT together - both prefixed by the new Mercedes-AMG naming format - and with a common engine design at heart has meant a lot of work at AMG of late. But there have been benefits, not least shared technology from pooling development costs for features like active engine mounts and electronically controlled locking diffs, the former standard on the C63 and the latter featuring on the 510hp S version. "The components are different - the GT has a transaxle - but it's a common development," he says. "And even if they are mechanically different we can share the knowledge from a software and control elements."

Picking up on a question raised by PHers after the C63 was confirmed why, bluntly, is it still called the C63 and not the C40 given that it now displaces 4.0 litres? "In former times we compared the number to the displacement but we changed this with the E63 when it went to the 5.5-litre bi-turbo. We addressed the figures into a range of power," he explains. This follows the broader trend within Mercedes where the '45' range of A-Class, CLA and GLA AMGs sit in power terms between '400' V6s and '500' V8s in the main Mercedes line-up. Again looking at the A45 and its derivatives if they'd badged the C63 a C40 he reckons it would have confused customers by virtue of having a 'smaller' number. Put simply the number simply indicates a hierarchy of power within the AMG range and no longer has anything to do with displacement. Case closed.

Edition 1 C63 gets added red bits
Edition 1 C63 gets added red bits
So that's the badging. What about the sound and soul of the new V8, given that nearly all of the C63 owners we met recently put those attributes of the outgoing normally aspirated engine at the top of their 'loves' list? Can this really survive into the turbo era? Here a knowing smile - this probably isn't the first time he's addressed this question. "We developed the new engine not only to meet the numbers but also to satisfy the needs of our customers in this regard," he says. "For sure it is different but I guess we have enough experience in this area!" The fully variable exhaust flap in the exhaust - controlled by aforementioned AMG Dynamic Select - is one example of this, the optional sports exhaust expanding on this with a more complex three-flap system for even more control.

Proof, as ever, will be in the driving. Make ours an 'S' wagon...







   
   
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BlackLabel

Original Poster:

13,251 posts

153 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Really like the look of that AMG-GT.

Arregueti

6 posts

150 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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The spoiler spoils it, in my eyes...

em177

3,149 posts

194 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Arregueti said:
The spoiler spoils it, in my eyes...
+1

jmgdrivesamg

54 posts

175 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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em177 said:
Arregueti said:
The spoiler spoils it, in my eyes...
+1
As it happens, I agree ... I also don't like the fixed spoiler. However, the fixed spoiler is only on the "Edition 1" car ... the normal AMG GT and GT S have the retractable spoiler.


daytona365

1,773 posts

194 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Half Merc, half 911 ? It's really nice, but it could have been a whole lot nicer. In my humble opinion of course.

daytona365

1,773 posts

194 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Surely the basic format for something like this, is etched in the Mercedes McLaren, and that's over a decade old now ?

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

255 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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That C63 Estate looks the business.

team underdog

938 posts

259 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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I can hear a whimper.



From every new M3 and its owner!

daytona365

1,773 posts

194 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Maybe, but not from E30 M3 owners. Anyway it's hardly valid, seeing as this is almost in Ferrari territory while the M3 is only the best sporting coupe ever made.

Edited by daytona365 on Friday 3rd October 21:47

Clivey

5,689 posts

234 months

Saturday 4th October 2014
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Is the AMG GT to the SLS what the Cayman is to the 911? Are we going to hear people saying "You only have a GT as you can't afford an SLS."?

jamieduff1981

8,092 posts

170 months

Sunday 5th October 2014
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Sounds unhelpfully complicated now.

Most journeys have a start, a middle and an end. Stopping to reprogramme the suspension, gearbox, engine and steering before and after an interesting stretch of road on an otherwise mundane journey will assure that these nerdy features get used precisely never, just like on BMWs where they never get touched in real life too.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Sunday 5th October 2014
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jamieduff1981 said:
Sounds unhelpfully complicated now.

Most journeys have a start, a middle and an end. Stopping to reprogramme the suspension, gearbox, engine and steering before and after an interesting stretch of road on an otherwise mundane journey will assure that these nerdy features get used precisely never, just like on BMWs where they never get touched in real life too.
Isn't the idea that you just jab a button or rotate a dial when you get onto a nice stretch of road having popped through a village?

ecain63

10,653 posts

205 months

Sunday 5th October 2014
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All i'm interested in right now is how much of a price hike from the W204 the W205 will be. All that extra tech must have cost a bit. I liked the fact that the W204 C63 was simple and raw. This meant it was accessible to mid range buyers like me. If the new W205 is price comparable to the W204 + inflation then i'm in. If not i'll be sticking with my A45 until they shed some value. If it is reasonable i'll take:

Red Saloon C63S with all the trimmings please!

Axionknight

8,505 posts

165 months

Sunday 5th October 2014
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The estate looks excellent, but the GT.... I'm not so sure, the spoiler does ruin the rear end, but it looks crap anyway - it reminds me of a 911 from a few years ago, but not in a good way, and that was ugly to start with.

ecain63

10,653 posts

205 months

Sunday 5th October 2014
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I think it looks a bit Porsche Gayman S-esque.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 5th October 2014
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Any idea when UK pricing will be announced for the GT?

ecain63

10,653 posts

205 months

Sunday 5th October 2014
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Sometime this month. Dealer test drives at (i think Ascari, could be wrong) are this month so it'll be straight after that. You interested Gary?

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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ecain63 said:
Sometime this month. Dealer test drives at (i think Ascari, could be wrong) are this month so it'll be straight after that. You interested Gary?
I'm interested, yes. I need to sell my house first, which I've just put on the market, but once that all pans out then I'll be more than interested wink