RE: Plastic fantastics: Under The Hammer
RE: Plastic fantastics: Under The Hammer
Thursday 6th November 2014

Plastic fantastics: Under The Hammer

Snooty about GRP bodied cars? Values suggest you may be missing a trick - and some nice vehicles



Silly question, right? The words 'plastic' and 'valuable' really don't belong together. Think glassfibre and you'll probably conjure up images of manky 1950s kit cars, crummy Corvettes and low-rent AC Cobra knock-offs. Plastic = second-rate, yes?

Even a replica 904 is a near six-figure car
Even a replica 904 is a near six-figure car
Actually, no. Not only do a surprising number of pukka classics have plastic bodywork, it's also amazing the prices they're now fetching. The most valuable plastic car of all time? It's the uber-rare Porsche 904 Carrera GTS. One of these plastic-bodied beauts sold last year at auction for £1,232,000. If a cool million is unattainable, how about this gorgeous replica for an estimate of £75,000 - £90,000?

Produced by Porsche replica experts Martin & Walker, it looks completely authentic - not surprising since moulds were taken from an original 904, and plonked on an accurate steel chassis. The engine is a six (not a four as original), based on a 2.7-litre 911 crankcase with a 2.2 crank, resulting in a 2.5 engine with 220hp. With a weight of 700kg, it should knock Caymans for six.

GRP not exotic enough? Stratos begs to differ!
GRP not exotic enough? Stratos begs to differ!
Stratospheric
It's got me thinking about all the other plastic cars 'of value'. There's plenty of pricey plastic crying out for you to flex your very own plastic. Pre-eminent among these is the resin-reinforced Lancia Stratos - one sold at auction a couple of years ago for nearly £300K, so the asking price of £475,000 may not be fanciful.

And then you have fiberglass Ferraris. What plastic Fezzas? Yup: the original 308 GTB of 1975 had glassfibre bodywork, although doesn't the Italian phrasing - 'Vetroresina' - sound so much more romantic? Maranello's experiment to save weight didn't last long, so this is a rare sight: only 808 Vetroresinas were made between 1975 and 1977, just 154 of those with right-hand drive. And while prices of steel-bodied 308/328s remain resolutely affordable (such as this £45K 308), the plastic version has suddenly rocketed in value.

Lotus has long been associated with plastic bodies
Lotus has long been associated with plastic bodies
No fewer than two of 'em are up for auction later this month. The cheaper of the two - a 1977 71,000-mile example - is estimated at £100,000 - £120,000. Another '77 example once owned by Mohamed Al-Fayed, no less - has fewer miles (25,000) but an even higher sale estimate of £110,000 - £130,000.

Classic British glassfibre
And let's not forget that weight-loss obsessive Colin Chapman loved a bit of glassfibre. Many of his early plastic creations will now hit your plastic hard. The best examples of the monocoque Elite are nudging the £100K mark these days, and have you seen how well Elans are doing, too? This fully restored 1972 Elan Sprint is up for £35,000 - £40,000. Makes the Esprit Turbo seem positively cheap at £11,000 - £13,000.

Can't forget TVR in this roll of honour!
Can't forget TVR in this roll of honour!
Other examples of classic British plastic going under the hammer this month include a rare Trident Clipper (more likely a Venturer converted to Ford 289 V8 power), a TVR Taimar Turbo at £15K and an Aston Martin DB7 for £14K. Hang on - DB7, plastic? Yup, I once lost a bet to Andy Noble of Caterham Cars on that point - most of its bodywork was not hand-beaten, but lovingly popped out of a mould.

So don't knock plastic - it's acquiring genuine value.

 

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davo23

Original Poster:

318 posts

182 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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ChrisJ.

623 posts

270 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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The Lancia Stratos has a sheet steel monocoque.
Only the hinged panels are grp.

MartG

22,844 posts

234 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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Lancia 037 comes to mind too

jamieduff1981

8,092 posts

170 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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Never understood the snobbery myself. GRP bodies don't rot like metal ones, and chassis are typically much easier to restore to as-new condition than steel bodied monocoques are. In my view a plastic car is a fairly safe 'keeper'.

LotusEspritTurbo

1,044 posts

285 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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I've got a plastic car and love it. No rot to worry about and it has a galvanised chassis. You can't go wrong.

rob.e

2,863 posts

308 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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That 904/6 replica is absolutely stunning.



TBH i'd have this any day over an original. You'd be scared witless to use a 1.2 million original, where you could drive the tits off this and have lots fun - who cares if its a replica.

kambites

71,563 posts

251 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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I've never understood why "plastic" is looked down upon. For non-structural elements, GRP is a better material than steel, IMO.

Fastdruid

9,402 posts

182 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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Chris Rees said:
The most valuable plastic car of all time? It's the uber-rare Porsche 904 Carrera GTS. One of these plastic-bodied beauts sold last year at auction for £1,232,000.
No, you're wrong. Try and find something to beat $11 million.

Ford GT40 Roadster prototype, sold for $6,930,000 in August
Ford GT40, GT/104 (Le Mans winner), Sold for $7000000 in April this year.
Ford GT40, '68 (Mirage/GT40, used as Steve McQueens camera car) $11 million USD (in 2012)

Although the spider is steel (or aluminium) on them, the rest of the bodywork is GRP (also with one of the first uses of carbon fibre) on a steel chassis.


Edited by Fastdruid on Thursday 6th November 12:39

IanJ9375

1,638 posts

246 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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900T-R

20,406 posts

287 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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kambites said:
I've never understood why "plastic" is looked down upon. For non-structural elements, GRP is a better material than steel, IMO.
Plus most 'hand beaten aluminium' low volume bodies actually look a bit clumsy next to an S1 Elise or any TVR from the Griffith onwards, especially if built to a price. Compound curves are a lot easier to make out of GRP or any other composite...

JonRB

80,081 posts

302 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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You forgot to mention the TVR Sagaris.

Cost £50k brand new in 2005, prices dipped as low as the upper £30k's in early 2008, but now worth around £60k today.

I was lucky enough to buy mine in early 2008. smile


sutts

1,125 posts

178 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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That linked DB7 looks like good value, and surely has decent investment potential?

MogulBoy

3,066 posts

253 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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Always loved the 308 but the ex-Al-fayed one doesn’t appear to have been presented (or at least photographed) in particularly fantastic condition although the faded charm of the run-down commercial premises as a back-drop lends it a certain 70's authenticity.

The text in the lot listing doesn’t really help sell to me though as it is said that the current vendor, a former employee of Al-Fayed who was once responsible for ‘maintaining his car collection’ acquired the car in 2013 at 25,949 miles then spent £10k on the engine and gearbox rebuild at a well known (but curiously un-named) specialist whilst simultaneously putting it through a ‘full mechanical recommissioning’ at Spellbound yet the car now shows just 4 miles more than the quoted mileage when it last changed hands... Was the owner so concerned to keep the mileage down that he couldn’t contemplate using it or at least allowing for a decent shakedown test?

As far as the cosmetic condition can be established from these photos, I could see past the tired looking non-original interior but I didn’t expect to see daylight through one of the two air intakes and possibly into the engine compartment on the other side eek Perhaps there are a couple of fantastic plastic parts missing. smile




And as for the fit of the bonnet, did all the vetroresinas leave the factory looking like that?



Edited by MogulBoy on Thursday 6th November 14:01

mikeg15

287 posts

230 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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And the prices of A110s !!!

Electra

74 posts

168 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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how about the Ultima GTR! yes, a car currently available compared to the others, but still in good company with its GRP body!

British Beef

2,572 posts

195 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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Stratos for knocking on half a million quid ........ classic car price craziness continues!!!

suffolk009

7,952 posts

195 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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Why are glass strands in plastic looked down upon (both technically and aesthetically), but carbon weave in plastic is deified? I never have understood this.

Countersteer

146 posts

167 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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That picture of the 308 is simply pure 70's wedge godliness. Still the most beautiful shape...

Kentish

15,169 posts

264 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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I'm not certain that the DB7 is plastic is it?
I've always thought they were conventional steel.

Another for the mix is the iconic Pontiac Fiero.

dublet

283 posts

241 months

Thursday 6th November 2014
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suffolk009 said:
Why are glass strands in plastic looked down upon (both technically and aesthetically), but carbon weave in plastic is deified? I never have understood this.
I would say because many fibreglass and plastics used to have a habit of deforming on kit cars in the 60s & 70s. Carbon fibre is much more rigid and temperature resistent.