Bright Brake Lights

[Slow]

All you people complaining of brake lights when at traffic lights etc.

First off, give it a rest please?
Every 3rd topic, it seems, has something complaining about them posted in it.

Don't suppose people are driving autos?
Bought so you don't have to change gear, your not gonna put it in park every 12 seconds in stop start traffic.

I'm in the states at the moment and at every set of lights its a queue of people with brake lights on - all autos I would imagine. However the American population doesn't seem to all be blind?

Therefor I must conclude PHers must be either:
A. Moles or something who don't see light often.
or
B. Moaning old gits

Rant over.

[ging84]

are you one of those people who still thinks you can't put an auto in neutral while stationary because some st boxes from the 70s were known to have issues with people doing it?

[Slow]

No, but over here no one does it.

Been in about 7 different cars with as many drivers. No one does it here. Yet Americans aren't all blind.

[amusingduck]

Slow said:

Moaning about others moaning about brake lights

You've also missed the point, it's not people sitting with their brake lights on in general, it's modern cars with incredibly bright brake lights.

[okie592]

Have you not seen my topic titled MY RETINAS!!!!!

Posted just to take the piss out of moany little old men complaining about this

[untakenname]

It's dangerous and annoying when wet as the light refracts off droplets on the windscreen, also don't like modern brake lights as they tell the police when you're driving spiritedly.

[PositronicRay]

untakenname said:

It's dangerous and annoying when wet as the light refracts off droplets on the windscreen, also don't like modern brake lights as they tell the police when you're driving spiritedly.

a) Use your wipers
b) What do they do? Send a memo.

[Monkeylegend]

Slow said:

All you people complaining of brake lights when at traffic lights etc.

First off, give it a rest please?
Every 3rd topic, it seems, has something complaining about them posted in it.

And you have now started another thread

[Lugy]

amusingduck said:

You've also missed the point, it's not people sitting with their brake lights on in general, it's modern cars with incredibly bright brake lights.

Surely that's a good thing, no?

I followed an older (well 90s!) car a few weeks back, think it may have been an early E36, whose brakelights were barely brighter than the tail lights and no high level brake light either.

Can't say I've ever had a problem with my eyes melting when I've been in traffic. Oh, and for what it's worth, I leave my auto in drive in stop/start traffic (unless I can see I'll be stopped for ages, then I'll switch it off!).

[amusingduck]

Lugy said:

Surely that's a good thing, no?

I followed an older (well 90s!) car a few weeks back, think it may have been an early E36, whose brakelights were barely brighter than the tail lights and no high level brake light either.

Can't say I've ever had a problem with my eyes melting when I've been in traffic. Oh, and for what it's worth, I leave my auto in drive in stop/start traffic (unless I can see I'll be stopped for ages, then I'll switch it off!).

To a point, yes. I've only thought "those are far too bright" once, when it was very dark, and the car in front had searingly bright LED brakelights. Not a big deal, though I imagine if every car was fitted with the same brakelights, it would get quite irritating at night.

[anonymous-user]

I've never given it any thought and to be honest have never noticed these blinding brake lights people are going on about?

[RobM77]

Just to post something constructive here, I'd like manufacturers to consider a lower brightness level for very small brake inputs, such as used when people are holding an automatic stationary. It would solve this issue immediately, and also draw more attention to when a driver goes from a slight dab of brakes on the motorway to a proper stop - which causes a lot of accidents whe people don't spot this difference.

By the way, drivers of manual cars don't sit in first gear with the clutch down and the brake on in traffic - why's it so hard for drivers of automatics to pop their car into neutral whilst stationary? Just saying...

[Captain Muppet]

You know what I do when there is a blinding glare in front of me in stationary traffic? I don't look directly at it. I don't need to be staring at the back of a car that is stopped. When the blinding glare stops it's time to look forwards again.

Staring at something you find visually painful is something you do to yourself. You can't blame the thing.

[Slidingpillar]

RobM77 said:

By the way, drivers of manual cars don't sit in first gear with the clutch down and the brake on in traffic - why's it so hard for drivers of automatics to pop their car into neutral whilst stationary? Just saying...

I've been a passenger in more than one car where the driver has done just that.

[Lugy]

RobM77 said:

Just to post something constructive here, I'd like manufacturers to consider a lower brightness level for very small brake inputs, such as used when people are holding an automatic stationary. It would solve this issue immediately, and also draw more attention to when a driver goes from a slight dab of brakes on the motorway to a proper stop - which causes a lot of accidents whe people don't spot this difference.

Did Jaguar not have this feature on a concept car quite a few years back?

BMW have a similar feature; http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/technology/tech...

[RobM77]

Lugy said:

RobM77 said:

Just to post something constructive here, I'd like manufacturers to consider a lower brightness level for very small brake inputs, such as used when people are holding an automatic stationary. It would solve this issue immediately, and also draw more attention to when a driver goes from a slight dab of brakes on the motorway to a proper stop - which causes a lot of accidents whe people don't spot this difference.

Did Jaguar not have this feature on a concept car quite a few years back?

BMW have a similar feature; http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/technology/tech...

It wouldn't surprise me if this is a feature on many cars, it's an obvious thing to do.

[RobM77]

Slidingpillar said:

RobM77 said:

By the way, most drivers of manual cars don't sit in first gear with the clutch down and the brake on in traffic - why's it so hard for drivers of automatics to pop their car into neutral whilst stationary? Just saying...

I've been a passenger in more than one car where the driver has done just that.

EFA

[Howard-]

Slow said:

Don't suppose people are driving autos?

Yep.

Slow said:

Bought so you don't have to change gear, your not gonna put it in park every 12 seconds in stop start traffic.

No, but I put it in Neutral.

Slow said:

I'm in the states at the moment and at every set of lights its a queue of people with brake lights on - all autos I would imagine. However the American population doesn't seem to all be blind?

No, just lazy.

[RobM77]

We need some perspective here - bright lights aren't going to blind anyone, but they are going to hurt people's eyes, depending on their individual sensitivity to light (which does vary). There's also a perhaps more subtle argument that it ruins dark adaptation.

[worsy]

RobM77 said:

why's it so hard for drivers of automatics to pop their car into neutral whilst stationary? Just saying...

Because I can't be arsed.

Despite what I read on here I'm not changing my behaviour. I f I won't, then the average joe is not likely to even consider it. Just get over it.