Buyng used car, road tax question

[p1tse]

I think I'm right in thinking the new registered keeper is responsible for the road tax from the moment of getting the v5c/2 green slip?

is there any leeway on this?

just hate the thought of buying a month road tax say for say one week/ day if it was bought at the end of the month?

[LilPeteMordino]

You are correct. From the moment you purchase the car it is 'untaxed' if my view on it is clear. So no leeway IMO.

Last car I bought I bought the tax on the guy's drive after signing the logbook.

[p1tse]

But I guess you could agree to future date the v5c so its last day of the month?

What implications would that have?
And more so if it got to dvla office say today the 17th but with a transfer of ownership on 30th?

[mgtony]

p1tse said:

But I guess you could agree to future date the v5c so its last day of the month?

What implications would that have?
And more so if it got to dvla office say today the 17th but with a transfer of ownership on 30th?

Would the previous owner want the risk of parking tickets/fines/NIPs Etc???

[Toaster Pilot]

p1tse said:

But I guess you could agree to future date the v5c so its last day of the month?

What implications would that have?
And more so if it got to dvla office say today the 17th but with a transfer of ownership on 30th?

Would need the seller not to post it until after it's date.

Leaving them liable to speeding fines, parking tickets, etc etc etc.

You'd need to be out of your mind as a seller to allow this for some tight fisted bd that won't pay the tax they legally should. I'm in the trade and any of this kind of fkwittery is quickly dismissed (although they then usually just drive off without tax anyway!)

[p1tse]

Fair comments

But dvla has done well in this idea, double up even for 1 days worth!

[Toaster Pilot]

It takes a few days for the DVLA database to catch up (post/processing delays) so you're unlikely to get stopped but if you do you're fked.

Also, it updates really quite quickly at the moment at least - I bought a van the other day and it's showing as untaxed already

[IanCress]

Toaster Pilot said:

(although they then usually just drive off without tax anyway!)

I guess that will happen quite a lot with private sales. Unless you get pulled on the way home and confess that you've just bought the car, then there's no chance anyone will ever get caught.
The DVLA's system will only update when they receive the paperwork in the post, so the vehicle will still show as taxed by the previous owner. Where's the harm in driving home then taxing it.

Different on a trade sale obviously, as the car may have been untaxed for weeks or months.

[Toaster Pilot]

IanCress said:

Different on a trade sale obviously, as the car may have been untaxed for weeks or months.

Doesn't stop people unfortunately - despite strong advice, offers of use of a computer to buy tax online and a disclaimer they sign if they still choose not to

[anonymous-user]

S-I-L bought a car on Sunday, was driving it the 80 miles home & was pulled by plod, it was showing on the insurance db as uninsured, he showed them the email he got from the insurance company & they were happy. Never mentioned the VED at all

[McSam]

p1tse said:

Fair comments

But dvla has done well in this idea, double up even for 1 days worth!

Damn right they have. Don't even start me.

They refuse to even acknowledge that their new system forces the same duty to be paid twice for the same car in the same month.

[p1tse]

That's what I also mean -
Until DVLA receive the v5c through the post, will it not be taxed?

[Toaster Pilot]

p1tse said:

That's what I also mean -
Until DVLA receive the v5c through the post, will it not be taxed?

The moment you sign and date the V5, it's not taxed.

[IanCress]

Toaster Pilot said:

Doesn't stop people unfortunately - despite strong advice, offers of use of a computer to buy tax online and a disclaimer they sign if they still choose not to

Disclaimer? Are you potentially liable if you allow a customer to drive off with no tax?

[Toaster Pilot]

IanCress said:

Disclaimer? Are you potentially liable if you allow a customer to drive off with no tax?

No idea but I'm not taking any chances!

[p1tse]

Toaster Pilot said:

p1tse said:

That's what I also mean -
Until DVLA receive the v5c through the post, will it not be taxed?

The moment you sign and date the V5, it's not taxed.

Thanks for the clarification if this correct

[Chops45]

So to be within the law you would have get either the
16 digit reference number on your vehicle tax renewal letter (V11)
11 digit reference number on your log book (V5C)
12 digit reference number on your New Keeper Supplement (V5C/2) if you've just bought the vehicle
And the cars registration number
And then tax the car online before driving it away,

[IanCress]

Toaster Pilot said:

IanCress said:

Disclaimer? Are you potentially liable if you allow a customer to drive off with no tax?

No idea but I'm not taking any chances!

Arse. Covered.

[marshalla]

The law states that the VED is refunded when TWO conditions are satisfied : a) the vehicle is sold and b) DVLA are notified of the change of keeper.

Merely selling it doesn't invalidate the VED as far as I can see.

[Captain Answer]

Chops45 said:

So to be within the law you would have get either the
16 digit reference number on your vehicle tax renewal letter (V11)
11 digit reference number on your log book (V5C)
12 digit reference number on your New Keeper Supplement (V5C/2) if you've just bought the vehicle
And the cars registration number
And then tax the car online before driving it away,

This is what I assumed when I picked up a car on Sunday. My intention was to inspect and complete the usual paperwork then complete the taxing process online prior to driving home, however on finalising and trying to tax online I discovered the car was registered as "disabled" tax class. I could not complete online and could only tax the car via an open post office, this left me with the decision of driving home 70 miles untaxed or popping back another day. I decided on the prior, but worrying now I may get a kindly letter for a fine from the camera van we passed. Next time I'll take a car trailer!