Depressed clutch pedal when stationary does it cause wear?
Depressed clutch pedal when stationary does it cause wear?
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p1tse

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1,412 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th January 2015
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Does it cause wear to the clutch if sat in traffic with the clutch depressed whilst car is idling?

oilslick

974 posts

216 months

Wednesday 7th January 2015
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It'll wear the release bearing.

996TT02

3,342 posts

170 months

Wednesday 7th January 2015
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oilslick said:
It'll wear the release bearing.
Correct, but as to what extent, is debatable.

Generally release bearings are replaced when the clutch goes - they outlast the clutches and are replaced preventatively.

As far as bearings go, they don't see all that much wear (compare to a wheelbearing, or an alternator bearing). Naturally some may be crappy so as usual "YMMV".

Old cars even had carbon disc bearings (no actual bearings - just a low friction bearing surface). Like the MGB.

oilslick

974 posts

216 months

Wednesday 7th January 2015
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996TT02 said:
Correct, but as to what extent, is debatable.

Generally release bearings are replaced when the clutch goes - they outlast the clutches and are replaced preventatively.

As far as bearings go, they don't see all that much wear (compare to a wheelbearing, or an alternator bearing). Naturally some may be crappy so as usual "YMMV".

Old cars even had carbon disc bearings (no actual bearings - just a low friction bearing surface). Like the MGB.
Agree that the extent of bearing wear is debatable, but as that they're under maximum stress when the clutch pedal is depressed it makes sense to me to stick it in neutral and let the clutch up. Given that swapping the release bearing is as big a job as swapping the clutch I'd rather have the bearing outlast the clutch than the other way around!

SWH

1,261 posts

232 months

Wednesday 7th January 2015
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996TT02 said:
Like the MGB.
...but when it has worn out (thanks previous owner, new clutch plate only) there is a really really horrid metal to metal noise when the clutch pedal is fully depressed.

On a slightly more modern car... I wouldn't worry, although it just feels wrong to sit there for any length of time with the clutch in; dodges the engine auto-stop/start of course (as does the button on the dash).

p1tse

Original Poster:

1,412 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th January 2015
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If stationary with the car idle at traffic, does it make any difference to the bearing if in neutral or in gear, I assume not?
But from above I guess best to have in neutral and clutch up

Sensibleboy

1,168 posts

155 months

Wednesday 7th January 2015
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If the bearing wears out completely it can be a bit of a disaster, more so than a worn clutch. Best only use it when necessary. Leave the car in neutral when possible.

spaximus

4,365 posts

283 months

Wednesday 7th January 2015
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It will in addition to all those previously mentioned, increase the wear on the engine thrust bearings on the crank. With modern materials and oils this is nothing to worry about really. In fact most cars now you cannot start them without depressing the clutch.
If I was driving a pre 90's car I would always disengage the drivetrain as quick as possible.

Martin350

4,654 posts

225 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Also, a less worn release bearing will make less annoying noise, when in neutral, before the clutch needs replacing.

BritishRacinGrin

26,592 posts

190 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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p1tse said:
If stationary with the car idle at traffic, does it make any difference to the bearing if in neutral or in gear, I assume not?
But from above I guess best to have in neutral and clutch up
In gear with the clutch up whilst stationary doesn't tend to work so well.

R_U_LOCAL

2,708 posts

238 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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There is also a small risk when sitting in gear with the clutch depressed, that you may unintentially release the clutch - your foot may slip off the pedal for instance - which could cause an accident.

It's a small chance of course, but I have seen it happen & a cyclist was knocked off as a result. Handbrake and neutral when stationary is usually the safest choice.

R8VXF

6,794 posts

145 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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R_U_LOCAL said:
There is also a small risk when sitting in gear with the clutch depressed, that you may unintentially release the clutch - your foot may slip off the pedal for instance - which could cause an accident.

It's a small chance of course, but I have seen it happen & a cyclist was knocked off as a result. Handbrake and neutral when stationary is usually the safest choice.
Especially if you get shunted from behind.

kambites

71,589 posts

251 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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I've only ever seen one car suffer from a release bearing failure and I know an awful lot of people who sit with their foot on the clutch. Mechanical sympathy stops me from doing it, but modern cars can actually stand up to a lot of abuse.

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

215 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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It's a bad habit I struggle to shake - sitting with my foot on the clutch when waiting at traffic lights or similar. I have to make a conscious effort to take the car out of gear and release the clutch! Really annoying.

Nigel_O

3,883 posts

249 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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get yourself a helix Organic clutch - there's no way you'd want to hold the clutch pedal down with one of those - I get leg-shake after a minute or so...

balls-out

3,794 posts

261 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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the release bearing on my Discovery 2 gave up after several hours in slow traffic. More an issue with a very dodgy/cheap clutch fitted by the previous then my lack of sympathy (I hope)

DickP

1,179 posts

180 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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I think the DMF suffers if you hold the clutch down for any length of time too.

p1tse

Original Poster:

1,412 posts

222 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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In guilty of it and see many others, but it's just easy to have 1st gear ready, clutch down and right foot on the brake whilst waiting for traffic flow when its flowing slowly

JordanTurbo

937 posts

171 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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balls-out said:
the release bearing on my Discovery 2 gave up after several hours in slow traffic. More an issue with a very dodgy/cheap clutch fitted by the previous then my lack of sympathy (I hope)
Release bearing brought our Discovery to a halt on the M25 after a long period of slow traffic. Pulling away from tolls after the Dartford bridge, wife driving, suddenly can't get into any gears. Que a lot of shouting (Sorry discussion, yes of course dear) as I try to explain to my wife how to get us moving and across 9 lanes to the hard shoulder without a clutch. And yes my seat needed a wipe once we got there! eek

Once I'd diagnosed it as release mechanism we swapped seats and I drove us home clutchless as the traffic was reasonably free flowing post the tolls. On inspection the plastic mounting that connects the release bearing to the release fork had melted and deformed from heat (All from that day or over time we don't know) meaning the bearing nolonger had full reach and could not disengage the clutch fully.

A replacement (with new clutch too) and a quick reminder to the wife about mechanical sympathetically and we've had no problems since.

Riff Raff

5,462 posts

225 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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kambites said:
I've only ever seen one car suffer from a release bearing failure and I know an awful lot of people who sit with their foot on the clutch. Mechanical sympathy stops me from doing it, but modern cars can actually stand up to a lot of abuse.
I bet you've heard a few though. It's a noise that makes my teeth itch.