RE: New year bargains: Under the Hammer
RE: New year bargains: Under the Hammer
Thursday 8th January 2015

New year bargains: Under the Hammer

Auctions man Chris digs out some potentially tempting lots in forthcoming sales



Unlike the rest of retailing, whose frenzied January sales seem to extend Black Friday into a month-long event, car auction-land is traditionally very quiet in January.

Luckily this is also the time that the Autosport show livens up the NEC - equally luckily, with a Coys auction attached this Saturday. And with buyers' minds not altogether focused on bidding during January, there's a definite whiff of bargains in the air - especially when you see some of the low estimates.

There's an alternative if this is a stretch
There's an alternative if this is a stretch
Bavarian bargains?
As you'd expect of Autosport, there are quite a few historic racing lots, from a BMW M3 E30 Group N rally car to the ex-Peter Kox 1998 Honda Accord British Touring Car, with eye-watering valuations to match.

But my eye has been caught by some of the more affordable stuff. For example, if you can't stretch to the 1974 BMW 2002 Works Motorsport Rally Car (up for auction at an estimated £160K-£180K), how about this gorgeous 1967 Alpina BMW 1600-2?

Claimed to be one of four produced, it's got a 115hp twin-Dellorto 1600 engine, Alpina/Bilstein suspension, Recaro seat and an uber-cool shade of orange paint. Crucially it's also got homologation papers for FIA International Motorsport Pre-1968 Historic racing.

With prices of good 2002 tiis going through the roof at the moment, Coys' estimate of £17,000 - £22,000 seems very reasonable. You never know your luck: there could be a bargain in the offing.

Low miles, high estimate, much want
Low miles, high estimate, much want
Handbuilt M5
I'm also rather taken with this BMW M5. E28s are now matching E30 M3s on price, and it's not hard to see why. The first M5s were hand-built by BMW Motorsport, very quick (0-62 in 6.2 sec) thanks to the BMW M1 engine under the bonnet, and superbly balanced around corners.

It also helps that it's very rare - just one E28 M5 was built for every eight E30 M3s. Of the total of 2,241 built, just 187 were UK-market right-hookers. The estimate for this RHD 73,000-mile M5 is £25,000 - £35,000, which may seem steep for an E28, but this is a highly enjoyable machine guaranteed never to drop in value.

Snake eyes
Right, if Bavarian metal all seems a bit sober, and your New Year's resolution was to be over-indulgent in 2015, what could be better than a bright red Dodge Viper?

Yes, I'm fully aware that the Viper has flaws. To drive, it feels not so much like a viper as a python that's had far too much to eat at Christmas. The fit and finish is shamed by quite a few kit cars I could mention. And that 10-cylinder 8.0-litre engine is possibly a tad over-the-top. But come on: for sheer ostentation, nothing touches the Viper's side-mounted exhaust bravado.

Up for grabs is a first-series 1993 RT/10 Roadster, with a freshly serviced engine that's done only 15,889 miles from new. It's imported, but since they're all LHD that's not much of an issue. If it goes for anything close to the estimate of £12,000 - £15,000, someone will get a real bargain.

Feeling brave on a modified import?
Feeling brave on a modified import?
Fezzas and Cossies
Another possible steal at Coys is a 1998 Ferrari 456M GTA, up for auction with no reserve. 456 GTs have yet to follow the Ferrari trend for upwardly mobile prices, but surely the market can't ignore its 190mph V12 appeal for much longer.

Two final specimens leap out at me: a couple of exceptionally low-mileage RS Fords sourced from Italy. A very original 1986 Sierra RS Cosworth (7,400km from new) is up for an estimated £22,000 - £27,000. And Coys' 1996 Escort RS Cosworth has barely any more miles on it (14,000km) and the same auction estimate.

Full Coys stocklist here (you may be there a while...).

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Discussion

soad

Original Poster:

34,721 posts

206 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Ex Works 1998 Honda Accord British Touring Car Championship - Ex Peter Kox (1998)
Estimate: £70,000-£80,000

It's a bargain, all right...

Turbobanana

8,500 posts

231 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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If a Wii is a wee, and a Mii is a mee, is a tii a tee?

Steamer

14,195 posts

243 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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A 456 has got to be a sensible place to put your money right now hasnt it?!

MrHooky

238 posts

172 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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I purchased a rather tidy round light 2002 chamonix white tii in 2007 for £2,800. Small amount of work done and sold 6 months later due to first child coming along for £3,800.

Any ideas of what it’d be worth now…?




soxboy

7,573 posts

249 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Steamer said:
A 456 has got to be a sensible place to put your money right now hasnt it?!
I think you've got to be playing a very long game to be doing that. Enjoy it for what value for money it is, not for any money you'll make.

Look how long it's taken other 4 seat v12 Ferraris to noticeably appreciate, and then look at the holding costs in relation to the appreciation.

anything fast

983 posts

194 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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The Cosworth's have got my attention especially the Sierra....

from the ad
"This low mileage example has only covered 7,400km from new and is only with its second owner. The owner informs us the car has always been maintained and is in original condition having been stored in a de-humidified and heated garage"

hmmm the 1st pic is not even the car, they have used a lib pic of a far more valuable RS500.. Then the actual car looks a bit suspect, horrible yellow fogs, dodgy blue strut brace and also I note all the side mouldings are missing which usually indicates a respray, as all cosworths came with the rubber strips down the side. But once removed they wont go back on properly so they often ended up junked. They should say original apart from a full respray (probably) st yellow fog lights, odd strut brace and prob more stuff we cant see! Pretty shoddy advert for Coys. They are a bit up their own arse from the way they go in the ad like no ones ever heard of a cosworth and then have the cheek to use a picture that is not even the actual car! Shame on them. One to avoid I think. There are still some very nice very low mile ones around for 20-25k so why gamble?


Edited by anything fast on Thursday 8th January 18:21

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Article said:
The estimate for this RHD 73,000-mile M5 is £25,000 - £35,000, which may seem steep for an E28, but this is a highly enjoyable machine guaranteed never to drop in value.
I reckon thinking what has been highlighted in bold is going to end up costing lots of people money in the long run. This bubble has got to burst at some point, leaving someone with a 73,000 Mile plus old BMW that owes them 35 grand.


kainedog

361 posts

204 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Probably 2x what you sold it for ,
MrHooky said:
I purchased a rather tidy round light 2002 chamonix white tii in 2007 for £2,800. Small amount of work done and sold 6 months later due to first child coming along for £3,800.

Any ideas of what it’d be worth now…?



kainedog

361 posts

204 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Probably 2x what you sold it for ,
MrHooky said:
I purchased a rather tidy round light 2002 chamonix white tii in 2007 for £2,800. Small amount of work done and sold 6 months later due to first child coming along for £3,800.

Any ideas of what it’d be worth now…?



gck303

204 posts

264 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Steamer said:
A 456 has got to be a sensible place to put your money right now hasnt it?!
About as sensible as buying a house in London.

Gruber

6,313 posts

244 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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279 said:
Article said:
The estimate for this RHD 73,000-mile M5 is £25,000 - £35,000, which may seem steep for an E28, but this is a highly enjoyable machine guaranteed never to drop in value.
I reckon thinking what has been highlighted in bold is going to end up costing lots of people money in the long run. This bubble has got to burst at some point, leaving someone with a 73,000 Mile plus old BMW that owes them 35 grand.
That e28 is definitely not a £35k car.

Any potential bidder would be well advised to do an HPI check on it... just saying.

garypotter

2,073 posts

180 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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I have noticed that these auction specialists tend to put a couple of beauties on the list with a low estimate to attract interest and grab headlines but see the cars collect alot bigger cost or the car does not sell as it has a crazy reserve even tho the estimate is £4.30....

Steamer

14,195 posts

243 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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gck303 said:
Steamer said:
A 456 has got to be a sensible place to put your money right now hasnt it?!
About as sensible as buying a house in London.
I'll assume 'Not cheap - but prices will only go in one direction'

gt750boy

22 posts

199 months

Saturday 10th January 2015
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I attended the Coys auction today. I would now never trust anything they ever told me. I was interested in a number of cars and every single one was misrepresented. A 1980 Ferrari was catalogued as a 400 but it was in fact a 400i, very obvious by the complete lack of carburettors . A 1960 Cadillac Coupe was advertised as a DeVille, but a simple check of the fender tag shows that it was a Series 62. A 1936 Hudson Terraplane 6 was said to be an original convertable with an original engine, but it was a very obvious chop job and the entire back half of the car was fibreglass and the engine was from a car a year older. A Mustang fastback was said to have a 302ci, 5.5 litre engine, but basic maths tells you that 302ci is actually 5.0 litres. All of these issues were pointed out to Coys and they simply did not care. They said it was not their problem. All of these cars sold for well above what they would have if they were correctly described. That sounds like potential fraud to me. I will never trust Coys and will not buy or sell a car through them at any time. Other auction houses such as Bonhams will actually spend a little time to verify what they are marketing and selling.

robertpaulson

44 posts

176 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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Steamer said:
I'll assume 'Not cheap - but prices will only go in one direction'
Either that or about to go the way of fine wine or vintage furniture, to name but a few of the alternative 'investment' bubbles that popped in the last few years

Tophatron

484 posts

251 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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From the Escort ad:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

"The car has been kept in a de-humidified, heated garage and is in original, un-molested condition."

Erm, unmolested except the front & rear lights, steering wheel, wheels, interior etc etc.

What are these guys smoking?

TTwiggy

11,884 posts

234 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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I wonder if the first owner of the that 456 is the same John Hargreaves who founded Matalan?

Blu3R

2,380 posts

229 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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Tophatron said:
From the Escort ad:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

"The car has been kept in a de-humidified, heated garage and is in original, un-molested condition."

Erm, unmolested except the front & rear lights, steering wheel, wheels, interior etc etc.

What are these guys smoking?
....Exhaust, de-badging, suspension....

They've clearly not taken much care over that ad.

ph1l5

5,027 posts

232 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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Viper has an Estimate £12,000- £15,000
BARGAIN !!

soad

Original Poster:

34,721 posts

206 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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ph1l5 said:
Viper has an Estimate £12,000- £15,000
BARGAIN !!
"This car will be sold at COYS forthcoming auction on the 10th January at Birmingham."
Wonder what it made?