Do all "new" cars drive the same?
Do all "new" cars drive the same?
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white_goodman

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4,527 posts

222 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Sorry, another rant about new cars and they ain't what they used to be but has anyone else found this? I'm of course not talking about sports cars and some of the other higher-end stuff because there are still some great ones of them about but the "normal" mid-range everyman cars that most of us actually buy. I've been trying to find something "sensible" that I enjoy driving but that car is proving elusive. Plenty that I liked the look of. Fiesta, Focus, Civic, Golf, Nissan Juke, Kia Rio etc but they all drive the same, so all it comes down to is price, features and styling. As I usually buy the car that I most enjoy driving , this is a problem! Why is this? Emissions and safety legislation meaning that every car has a similar power delivery and must have foolproof handling? I accept that cars have got better in many respects (safety, standard features, styling in some cases) but 10-15 years ago, there were "ordinary" cars that provided a fun drive as well as doing sensible (I'm thinking of cars like the Peugeot 306, mk1 Focus and mk5 Golf).

To be fair, I've always rated the 1-Series as a good drive but not so much the styling and practicality and they're really not that cheap. I've never got the "hype" surrounding the 3-Series either, as I've found all the ones that I have driven after the E30 utterly dull to drive (but I expect I might like the M3)! Before I get flamed for criticising the 3-Series, I have owned RWD cars and can appreciate a good RWD car! Is there anything out there that I haven't tried that has that spark that I'm looking for (I'm not in the market for a top-of-the-range hot hatch)?

poing

8,743 posts

231 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Depends what you consider "driving" to be and what you are actually expecting. I drove a few cars before I settled on my current car, the difference when sat in traffic or on a fast straight A road wasn't big, mainly comfort and engine responsiveness. I made a point to take them all down a B road I drive every day, that showed the differences in them quite quickly.

I can assure you the a Fiesta and Juke feel nothing like each other down that road. They all had one thing in common though, they all activate the stability control systems when getting air over a humpback wink

Muddle238

4,421 posts

144 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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I guess a lot of the problem comes from the fact that nowadays Skoda is SEAT is VW is Audi, Peugeot is Citroen etc.

I'm pretty sure there's probably not much difference in driving dynamics between an Ibiza and a Polo, or a Leon and an A3 or Golf, or a 308 to a C4. Everything deep down seems to share so much mechanical DNA that there isn't much left other than the styling to distinguish between different cars, driving wise.

If you're really looking for something unique, buy a Land Rover S3.

white_goodman

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4,527 posts

222 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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poing said:
Depends what you consider "driving" to be and what you are actually expecting. I drove a few cars before I settled on my current car, the difference when sat in traffic or on a fast straight A road wasn't big, mainly comfort and engine responsiveness. I made a point to take them all down a B road I drive every day, that showed the differences in them quite quickly.

I can assure you the a Fiesta and Juke feel nothing like each other down that road. They all had one thing in common though, they all activate the stability control systems when getting air over a humpback wink
Which was better? Fiesta or Juke?

Claudia Skies

1,098 posts

147 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Although it's always risky to generalise, I would suggest there is a definite trend towards,

  • Over-light steering, and
  • Over-powered brakes.
The combination of which results in a "disconnected" experience for the driver.

davepoth

29,395 posts

230 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Two thoughts, depending on how much space in the back you need and money you want to spend. Not available quite yet, but will be in the next few months. Obviously I haven't driven them, but they shouldn't feel much like a medium hatchback.

1)Jag XE
2)Ford Mustang.

ging84

9,548 posts

177 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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you again?
with another ordinary cars are ordinary shocker

okie592

2,711 posts

198 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Mx5

white_goodman

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4,527 posts

222 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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davepoth said:
Two thoughts, depending on how much space in the back you need and money you want to spend. Not available quite yet, but will be in the next few months. Obviously I haven't driven them, but they shouldn't feel much like a medium hatchback.

1)Jag XE
2)Ford Mustang.
New Mustang looks cloud9 but yes, that's a bit over my budget at the moment!


nickfrog

25,419 posts

248 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Claudia Skies said:
  • Over-powered brakes.
You mean over-servoed presumably?

I just bought a car for my daughter. I test drove a new 1.0 turbo Polo. I test drove a new 1.0 n/a Yaris.

They should be the same really, size, price, equipment. Like comparing a cheap fridge to another cheap fridge.

They couldn't drive more differently. The difference was shocking. The VW was possibly the worst new car I have ever driven. It was like a boat. Zero body control, super soft suspension yet very poor ride (how is that possible even if you tried), no steering feel, poor brake modulation, uncomfortable, engine was an on-off switch.

The Yaris was an absolute delight to drive by contrast, way too nice for the price point. It should have cost 30% more really. It felt like it had been designed by people who really cared about how the driver would interact with it. We paid £7k for 18 months old one at a Toyota dealer. £7k doesn't buy you much of a (stty) Polo.

So based on that example alone, the assumption that all mass produced car drive the same is wrong.

white_goodman

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Wednesday 28th January 2015
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nickfrog said:
You mean over-servoed presumably?

I just bought a car for my daughter. I test drove a new 1.0 turbo Polo. I test drove a new 1.0 n/a Yaris.

They should be the same really, size, price, equipment. Like comparing a cheap fridge to another cheap fridge.

They couldn't drive more differently. The difference was shocking. The VW was possibly the worst new car I have ever driven. It was like a boat. Zero body control, super soft suspension yet very poor ride (how is that possible even if you tried), no steering feel, poor brake modulation, uncomfortable, engine was an on-off switch.

The Yaris was an absolute delight to drive by contrast, way too nice for the price point. It should have cost 30% more really. It felt like it had been designed by people who really cared about how the driver would interact with it. We paid £7k for 18 months old one at a Toyota dealer. £7k doesn't buy you much of a (stty) Polo.

So based on that example alone, the assumption that all mass produced car drive the same is wrong.
Interesting. Not my experience with Toyotas (my other car is a Toyota) and I have found them competent but dull, dull, dull. Guess it's worth checking out a Yaris based on your recommendation though smile

nickfrog

25,419 posts

248 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Yes I drove the old Yaris and it was very white good compared to the current one. Tbf, a wheelbarrow would have felt good to drive after the Polo !

BorkFactor

7,278 posts

189 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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I don't think they do, I recently went car shopping with my mum so drovr quite a few "normal" cars. Some perfectly nice ones, but some crap ones too. Prime example being an Audi A3 1.4T - it was horrible. Very light steering, bad driving position, rubbery gear change, and the brakes were crazy sensitive. Not a nice engine either. Even the new Focus was a lot better, and the 1 series better still.

Needless to say, she went home with a 118i.

Daston

6,154 posts

234 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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white_goodman said:
New Mustang looks cloud9 but yes, that's a bit over my budget at the moment!

Isn't that just a Toyota Supra which has been attacked with a sander?

Barvaux928

49 posts

142 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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i think recent cars are boring to drive, not necessarily the same

it's technology + evolution that makes these cars feel "distant" and efficient, so the driver becomes isolated and redundant, and bored wink

i'm not really talking about ESP etc., but there's a feel in driving only old cars can give,

i do think bmw 1 and 3 series (until the E90) are one of the better more recent options! i really like my e46 330i, but can imagine older 3series are more pure, i don't have a lot of e30 and e36 experience, my favourite cars to drive were a 2005 Cooper, an E34 525i and a Golf 2 GTI, but like i said lots of great cars i haven't driven yet

Edited by Barvaux928 on Wednesday 28th January 22:46

poing

8,743 posts

231 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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white_goodman said:
poing said:
Depends what you consider "driving" to be and what you are actually expecting. I drove a few cars before I settled on my current car, the difference when sat in traffic or on a fast straight A road wasn't big, mainly comfort and engine responsiveness. I made a point to take them all down a B road I drive every day, that showed the differences in them quite quickly.

I can assure you the a Fiesta and Juke feel nothing like each other down that road. They all had one thing in common though, they all activate the stability control systems when getting air over a humpback wink
Which was better? Fiesta or Juke?
The Fiesta by quite a large margin, the Juke doesn't appreciate being pushed in any way. The comfort of the Juke was far better though. I drove many cars but the Fiesta and Juke stood as as being particularly good or disappointingly bad, not that the Juke is a bad car for the right person but it just doesn't really do brisk cornering.

Most of the cars I drove over a couple of weeks were simple, middle-of-the-road cars with some false form of excitement (3 door hatch but called a coupe for example) but they all drove differently albeit not always massively.

kambites

71,599 posts

252 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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There's certainly some characteristics that almost all new cars have in common, but there are also many things they do very differently.