A growing trend..?
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Its a mini rant, with no real swearing, more an observation really.
I live in a fairly good area, lots of 4/5 bedroom houses made in the ninety's, so curvy roads and odd layouts everywhere.. Also where I live are quite a lots of teenagers/early 20's adults. Now, they all still live at home, and like we did when younger have passed there driving test and got cars. (I assume due the fact the parents can help, and most have jobs (or part time jobs)).
The issue is that a house like this normally had room for a couple of cars, now there are 4 or 5 (2/3 kids per house), so there appears to be little micro cars parked everywhere.. That is kind of fair enough, but what I have noticed is that most of the lads that live at home now have girlfriends (staying over), so you can now find up to 6 + cars per house parked up on pavements on blind corners. (Oddly it seems to be the lads that have the GF's over, not the other way around).
In it self this is just life, however.. its not going to change, only get worse and worse an most kids seem to stay at home now for much longer (I moved out at 17, and my flat had 2 spaces), so the 13/14/15/16 year olds will soon have cars, and there physically is just not enough places, as the current batch will still be at home..
Anyone noticed this..?
I live in a fairly good area, lots of 4/5 bedroom houses made in the ninety's, so curvy roads and odd layouts everywhere.. Also where I live are quite a lots of teenagers/early 20's adults. Now, they all still live at home, and like we did when younger have passed there driving test and got cars. (I assume due the fact the parents can help, and most have jobs (or part time jobs)).
The issue is that a house like this normally had room for a couple of cars, now there are 4 or 5 (2/3 kids per house), so there appears to be little micro cars parked everywhere.. That is kind of fair enough, but what I have noticed is that most of the lads that live at home now have girlfriends (staying over), so you can now find up to 6 + cars per house parked up on pavements on blind corners. (Oddly it seems to be the lads that have the GF's over, not the other way around).
In it self this is just life, however.. its not going to change, only get worse and worse an most kids seem to stay at home now for much longer (I moved out at 17, and my flat had 2 spaces), so the 13/14/15/16 year olds will soon have cars, and there physically is just not enough places, as the current batch will still be at home..
Anyone noticed this..?
I bought a new build 4/5 bed detached house (less said about that the better) it had one space for a car, why? To encourage us to use public transport, which was great except I was in the middle of Lincolnshire and you had to pre book a bus which never ran at work times and the railway station closed in the 1950s.
I averaged the cars out at 3 per household, all would be parked on the street with driveways being used for visitors, the garages were just used as sheds. One side of the entire estate road was a line of cars., the emergency services couldn't even get round.
I averaged the cars out at 3 per household, all would be parked on the street with driveways being used for visitors, the garages were just used as sheds. One side of the entire estate road was a line of cars., the emergency services couldn't even get round.
Johnnytheboy said:
Kids also can't leave home because there's too many people in too few houses everywhere, so house prices are high.
The fuller the country gets the worse this will become, exacerbated by all new estates being incredibly high density.
And they are the want it now generation so before thinking about getting a house it's best to get an Audi S3 on tick at £600 a month along with a few other loans and CCs for 3/4 holidays a year to 'Napa and 'Biza, couple of pairs of Nike air max a month and other clothing etc. The fuller the country gets the worse this will become, exacerbated by all new estates being incredibly high density.
A lad I work with has just moved in to a right hellhole sink estate, why? Because both him and his mrs have over £1000 a month outgoing on cars let alone insurance and so one. How the f
k are you meant to save up for anything when you have over £2k a month total bills and your still living at home. It is certainly a problem on every new build estate I've live on or visited in recent years, lots and lots of houses squashed into small plots and insufficient parking spaces. I currently rent a room in a shared house on a new build, a nice house with six rooms, but only two parking spaces. Fine at the moment as only two of us drive, but apparently there's a new person moving in soon who drives, so that's going to cause issues - there just isn't anywhere for a third car to go.
Its the same all over the estate though, long lines of cars bunched up outside homes with no drives or parking spaces, then you have those people who have work vans which just get ditched outside other people's houses and further problems then occur. Recently there were some roadworks at the entrance to the estate on a three-way traffic light control. A section of the entrance road was coned off to stop people parking there, but the day they went out they were removed by the people whose home they were outside so they could park, which led to a situation where the cars waiting to leave the estate were blocking traffic from entering as they were alongside parked cars. It was chaotic until the situation resolved itself a day or two later.
New builds really aren't my favourite places, the couple I've lived in and the few more I've visited people in have all been falling apart just a couple of years after completion (fixtures and fittings mainly), there's never enough parking, and all this "We only provide one space so as to encourage people to use public transport" is rubbish, its just so the developers don't have to waste space on tarmac. Everyone knows the average working family will have two cars generally, but a lot of us don't have the choice to live where we'd really like to or in the type of home we really want.
Its the same all over the estate though, long lines of cars bunched up outside homes with no drives or parking spaces, then you have those people who have work vans which just get ditched outside other people's houses and further problems then occur. Recently there were some roadworks at the entrance to the estate on a three-way traffic light control. A section of the entrance road was coned off to stop people parking there, but the day they went out they were removed by the people whose home they were outside so they could park, which led to a situation where the cars waiting to leave the estate were blocking traffic from entering as they were alongside parked cars. It was chaotic until the situation resolved itself a day or two later.
New builds really aren't my favourite places, the couple I've lived in and the few more I've visited people in have all been falling apart just a couple of years after completion (fixtures and fittings mainly), there's never enough parking, and all this "We only provide one space so as to encourage people to use public transport" is rubbish, its just so the developers don't have to waste space on tarmac. Everyone knows the average working family will have two cars generally, but a lot of us don't have the choice to live where we'd really like to or in the type of home we really want.
Yes same here - couple of other factors make it worse :-
1) the trend for converting garages into rooms
2) people refusing to use either of the bays in their double garage for actual cars, but instead blocking the roads & pavements with their 4 or 5 cars
drives me bonkers here right now...
1) the trend for converting garages into rooms
2) people refusing to use either of the bays in their double garage for actual cars, but instead blocking the roads & pavements with their 4 or 5 cars
drives me bonkers here right now...
New development on a derelict school round the corner from me including building on its playing fields
A mixture of "executive" houses and 1 and 2 bed flats
The planning application had dozens of complaints detailing lack of parking provision but it was built anyway
And guess what?
The surrounding streets and a busy A road nearby are now swamped with parked cars making progress slow and difficult
MajorProblem said:
I bought a new build 4/5 bed detached house (less said about that the better) it had one space for a car, why? To encourage us to use public transport, which was great except I was in the middle of Lincolnshire and you had to pre book a bus which never ran at work times and the railway station closed in the 1950s.
I averaged the cars out at 3 per household, all would be parked on the street with driveways being used for visitors, the garages were just used as sheds. One side of the entire estate road was a line of cars., the emergency services couldn't even get round.
Same round here, council push for limited parking on new builds. Total joke. When I pushed our local councillor about this and other similar issues his response was "I don't know because I don't drive".... oh that's ok then.I averaged the cars out at 3 per household, all would be parked on the street with driveways being used for visitors, the garages were just used as sheds. One side of the entire estate road was a line of cars., the emergency services couldn't even get round.
joe_90 said:
Anyone noticed this..?
Yes and it's fking annoying. I live on a lane with a right mix of houses - from 1950s bungalows to farmhouses / cottages dating back to the 1700s. Some houses have loads of parking & some have none. A house (Victorian terrace, no parking) over the road from me went up for sale in Feb and was bought by a very nice family. Nice, apart from the fact that the parents have 2 cars, the 2 kids have a car each and their partners both have cars and seem to stay every weekend. 6 cars in one house which was designed for no cars.I'm ok as I have parking for about 3-4 cars, but my neighbour over the road lives in a very old cottage with no parking and she works nights as a lorry driver. When she gets back on Saturday morning she cant even park outside her own house. Because the lane is pretty narrow, most of their cars end up on the pavement forcing anyone with a pram or whatever to walk in the road.
Why buy a house with no parking when there are 6 members of the household with a car?
Selfish
s.Hmm, this thread has touched a nerve and I sympathise.
Round my way the problem is exacerbated by typically lazy modern brits who just have to park on the road right outside their house (they have no drive), even though they have a garage and parking to the rear. Similarly my local Tesco one stop provides two car parks within 150 yards yet 90% of the customers have to park on double yellows right outside the store entrance to allow them to waddle 6 feet into the store for their six packs of lager and multiple family bars of chocolate.
As a general public most of us are just downright lazy and inconsiderate, sad to say...
freckin bone idle more like. No wonder so many of us are obese in 2015!
Round my way the problem is exacerbated by typically lazy modern brits who just have to park on the road right outside their house (they have no drive), even though they have a garage and parking to the rear. Similarly my local Tesco one stop provides two car parks within 150 yards yet 90% of the customers have to park on double yellows right outside the store entrance to allow them to waddle 6 feet into the store for their six packs of lager and multiple family bars of chocolate.
As a general public most of us are just downright lazy and inconsiderate, sad to say...
freckin bone idle more like. No wonder so many of us are obese in 2015!
Jasandjules said:
Yes, due to having halfwits (being fairly optimistic in giving them that much credit) in charge of running the country for many years, the policy has been to build houses with insufficient parking.
And it is getting worse...
John Prescott is the halfwit you are looking for... One space per new house.And it is getting worse...
Our small estate of 48 homes has a strip of protected land in it, which our house looks over - some kind of protected newt is to blame. Behind it is a field. So from our house we can't see, or hear a road. Lovely.
Our drive is big enough for 4 cars (a quirk of the design of the street - everyone else has 1 space).
There was a petition set up by people who bought the smaller houses around the corner to ask the council to pave over this land and add extra parking for the street as it's terrible around there - cars/vans parked everywhere. Strangely enough, we filed it in the bin.
Where I live there is a mix of 2 and 3 bed semis, many houses have been extended or had loft conversions some have drives and garages, some not, one family has; mum's Range Rover, dad's A6, dad's Transit, son's Fiesta, son's Focus Van and son's girlfriend's Fiat 500, one house literally uses up all the on street parking for a quarter of the street.
Thankfully I have a drive but it's a nightmare for those that don't.
Thankfully I have a drive but it's a nightmare for those that don't.
I think people look for kitchen size, bedroom numbers etc.
When we moved 11 years ago from a stty new build (which by a quirk did have a 7 car long drive into the garden) surrounded by typical scum subsidized by the council, to a 1920s semi that had a front garden tarmacced for 3 cars, garage around the back and I've made another 3 spaces since we've moved here.
The estate agents were totally confused when we wanted to prioritize off-road car spaces over number of bedrooms and sized of the garden.
As above people are lazy, and don't think.
When we moved 11 years ago from a s
tty new build (which by a quirk did have a 7 car long drive into the garden) surrounded by typical scum subsidized by the council, to a 1920s semi that had a front garden tarmacced for 3 cars, garage around the back and I've made another 3 spaces since we've moved here.The estate agents were totally confused when we wanted to prioritize off-road car spaces over number of bedrooms and sized of the garden.
As above people are lazy, and don't think.
Yes, because i'm sure it's much easier to move out now in terms of expense than when you were a teenager. Neighbour that lives opposite me has 2 cars, work van, motorbike (which in all fairness is parked in his front garden) and a whale for a daughter who parks (read dumps) her car on the road. Add to that the 3 families that live in one house on rent, all with their own cars and work vans, the road is packed as there are many other households like this. My council is in the process of possibly making our road a permit zone. Unfortunately it won't go through but i'd be more than happy enough to cough up £200 a year, hell i'd even pay more.
I moved out at 17, and so did lots of my friends too. In fact I don't know anyone my age who still lives at home!
Try living on a new build estate where they assume you only need space for one car, it's a nightmare, cars dumped everywhere and makes the road very narrow
Try living on a new build estate where they assume you only need space for one car, it's a nightmare, cars dumped everywhere and makes the road very narrow
Edited by Ghost91 on Sunday 6th September 22:25
We are very much in the minority on our road. Both cars garaged overnight and often in the day. Mainly because of the bee st caused by out ecofriendly neighbours homing several million of the little darlings on a tiny plot!
Anyway most of our neighbours seem to keep vast quantities of useless junk in their garages whilst their BMW Audi and Mercedes reside in the drive or more likely half on the pavement outside their house. This despite all the houses having drives.
Garage to room conversions and tin/plastic caravans cause more overspill onto the road and pavement
Luckily for a 1970s estate the road is a full 30 feet wide so even if some numpty parks bang opposite another numpty the Tesco van or dustbin wagon can get through
I estimate that only 5% of the roads 90 or so houses use their garages. We do, chap down the road with a Porsche and a near neighbour with a Superb....so the garages are big enough to get a decent sized car in.
t caused by out ecofriendly neighbours homing several million of the little darlings on a tiny plot!Anyway most of our neighbours seem to keep vast quantities of useless junk in their garages whilst their BMW Audi and Mercedes reside in the drive or more likely half on the pavement outside their house. This despite all the houses having drives.
Garage to room conversions and tin/plastic caravans cause more overspill onto the road and pavement
Luckily for a 1970s estate the road is a full 30 feet wide so even if some numpty parks bang opposite another numpty the Tesco van or dustbin wagon can get through
I estimate that only 5% of the roads 90 or so houses use their garages. We do, chap down the road with a Porsche and a near neighbour with a Superb....so the garages are big enough to get a decent sized car in.
Aye its a nightmare. The local council in the area ive just moved from did a "rejuvination" project this year. Basicly they removed all the roadside parking, made the roads thinner & made the pavements ~3x wider, in the NW of Scotland, where it rains 350 days a year. They also took some of the side streets going into the towncentre that where mostly used for roadside parking for the town centre shops and pedestrianized the whole fking area. After a year of complaining they have added some road side parking back in by removing some of the new pavements (Well very bregrudgingly reminding everyone who petitioned them thats its costing £100ks for them to do it). When pushed it turned out that two of the 5 town planners dont drive and didnt see the issue.
They also had to rebuild some of the junctions after they thinned the roads because the local bus's could no longer fit around the corners.
Millions spent by unelected council folks to build silly colourful pavements that people use 2 weekends out of the year, make the town neigh impossible for delivery lorries, make it neigh impossible to pass cyclists safely (this is now a huge issue on a couple of roads), reduce the capacity of every major junction in town by half (removing the left lane meaning you need to wait on everyone turning right), and to top it all off they managed to fk with the public transport that they are trying to encourage everybody to use. All the local shops in the town centre are complaining because its fked up there buisness as all it has done is make the supermarket slightly out of town WITH A CAR PARK far more attractive than walking about in the pissing rain.
Oh and to top it all off these same people shout and scream 6 months later when a private company wants to build a wind farm on the hill behind the town, because aparently that would "affect local property prices". fking idiots.
As damage control all they have done is "promise" to make one of the local pay&display car parks have a free 2 hour period to help local buisness. Still a big middle finger to all the local residents though.
king area. After a year of complaining they have added some road side parking back in by removing some of the new pavements (Well very bregrudgingly reminding everyone who petitioned them thats its costing £100ks for them to do it). When pushed it turned out that two of the 5 town planners dont drive and didnt see the issue. They also had to rebuild some of the junctions after they thinned the roads because the local bus's could no longer fit around the corners.
Millions spent by unelected council folks to build silly colourful pavements that people use 2 weekends out of the year, make the town neigh impossible for delivery lorries, make it neigh impossible to pass cyclists safely (this is now a huge issue on a couple of roads), reduce the capacity of every major junction in town by half (removing the left lane meaning you need to wait on everyone turning right), and to top it all off they managed to f
k with the public transport that they are trying to encourage everybody to use. All the local shops in the town centre are complaining because its fked up there buisness as all it has done is make the supermarket slightly out of town WITH A CAR PARK far more attractive than walking about in the pissing rain.Oh and to top it all off these same people shout and scream 6 months later when a private company wants to build a wind farm on the hill behind the town, because aparently that would "affect local property prices". f
king idiots.As damage control all they have done is "promise" to make one of the local pay&display car parks have a free 2 hour period to help local buisness. Still a big middle finger to all the local residents though.
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