RE: Replica classics: Unsung Hero
RE: Replica classics: Unsung Hero
Thursday 17th September 2015

Replica classics: Unsung Heroes

Is original always best? Chris Rees begs to differ



I have a friend who is, shall we say, somewhat on the snobby side. She insists that anything pretending to be something it's not is 'infra dig'. Fake wood flooring? Absolutely awful - it simply has to be authentic, darling. I often hear exactly the same view expressed about replicas of classic cars. OK, I do agree that, given the choice, of course you'd take the real thing.

But if you don't have the pockets to afford whatever you want, replicas can be brilliant. Let's face it, replicas exist for one reason, because the real thing is prohibitively expensive.

Cobra one of the most popular replicas
Cobra one of the most popular replicas
Copies that improve
I had a timely reminder of just how good replicas can be at last weekend's Goodwood Revival. Superlative replicas were everywhere - and very often it was impossible to tell they were replicas. For instance, I charge you to differentiate a genuine SS100 from Suffolk Sports Cars' amazing replica.

Indeed, I'd argue that many replicas are actually better than the originals. Using new and upgraded parts makes them more usable and more reliable. In contrast to the originals, which are all too often simply cocooned away to protect their ever-increasing value, you'll have no qualms about driving and enjoying your replica.

Well when real ones are c.£12m...
Well when real ones are c.£12m...
What to buy
Increasingly accurate, high-quality replicas are now becoming highly desirable in their own right.

Easily the world's most replicated car has to be the AC Cobra. With a current value of around £1m for a Shelby 427, it's no surprise that the 'fake snake' market continues to boom.

£79,995 buys you an utterly gorgeous Contemporary Classic Cobra which does a pretty fine job of looking like the real thing. Most Cobra 'replicas' don't, but that's often deliberately so. Take the Dax with its removable hardtop and updated details, which is far less authentic-looking but undoubtedly a stunning machine in its own right.

The Ford GT40 is a car that's easy to get wrong when it comes to replication, but this GTD example looks good to me. At £65K it's not cheap, but compared to the real thing (circa £5m), it's a great demonstration of how replicas can democratise iconic cars.

Beautiful, if not exactly authentic
Beautiful, if not exactly authentic
Jaguar replicas in general don't do it for me, but the XKSS is a totally different proposition. The RAM SS is one of the better-known ones, and again its £70K asking price is a tiny fraction of the original (currently as much as £12 million).

Foreman's P4 is another convincing evocation of the Ferrari 330/P4. Despite the "correct dashboard layout" I'm not sure the cockpit is terribly authentic in this example (I note the Racetech electronic dials and 'Tributo Ferrari' badges from an Abarth 500!). Nor is the 'crate' Chevrolet 5.7-litre V8 engine exactly P4 spec, but it should sound purposeful with its four-barrel carb. With a mere 400 miles since being finished in 2011, it looks fair value at £57,500.

And, despite the Morris Marina engine, I do quite like Teal's Bugatti Type 35 replica. But what's my perfect replica? Either one of the super-rare Jaguar XJ13 replicas built by Proteus, or a hand-crafted copy of the Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale. Neither of which is easy to find...

And when replicas go wrong
And when replicas go wrong
What not to buy
Replicas do have a dark side. For every brilliant replica, there are loads that are all wrong - incorrectly-engined, badly-built shams. If you can't create a convincing replica, what's the point? To illustrate this, I've pictured a couple of my favourite disasters.

Even when they're not based on a Toyota MR2 or Pontiac Fiero (which they normally are), replicas of modern Ferraris and Lambos really smack of desperation. Likewise, AC Cobra replicas with four-cylinder engines (yes, they do exist).

And I really don't see the point of replicas where you can buy the real thing for the pretty much the same price - we're looking at you, Aston Martin DB9 and non-Lightweight Jaguar E-Type.

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Monty Python

Original Poster:

4,813 posts

228 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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I'm with you - a well-done "replica" can be more usable and reliable while still looking as good as the original. You only have to look at the number of companies that will take an original and fit uprated parts (Eagle, Aston Martin Works and so on).

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

256 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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Replicas are so good these days it makes me question a lot of the rarer cars I've actually seen for real! smile

Speaking of replicas, one of the nicest I've seen in recent years, is this 250GTO replica at a local car show (IF HPI is to be believed, started off as a 944 S2):





Edited by PhantomPH on Thursday 17th September 11:26

Al U

2,394 posts

162 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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That GT40 looks like garbage to me. Sorry.

TroubledSoul

4,669 posts

225 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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The thing is, if I wanted a certain car and it was £1m but a replica was £70k, I could sort of see the point. But I would still think "what 'proper' car could I buy for my £70k instead?"

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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Al U said:
That GT40 looks like garbage to me. Sorry.
That GT40 rep looks very, very like a real GT40 to me.

So... just to clarify: Are you saying all GT40s, real or rep, look like garbage to you? Or are you an expert on GT40s who's noticed some details that just glare at you?

Gareth1974

3,488 posts

170 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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This replica is of such good quality, it's for sale at a higher price than an original car can be bought for: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C513131

Robert1983

3 posts

179 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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Is that TT replica a joke??

Chunkychucky

6,094 posts

200 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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A Pur Sang 8C or Type 35 for me please!

burningdinos

122 posts

152 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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The rear of the Ferrari 330 replica somehow doesn't look right to me. I gotta find pictures of a real one to compare.

EDIT: ahh, there it is. small differences in exhaust and in the rear clamshell. Still a convincingly replica, I had to reach my inner geek and take a second look read




Chris71

21,549 posts

273 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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For a replica to work I think it has to be nigh-on indistinguishable from the original and anything along the lines of the original has to be totally out of your reach.

A while back, you could buy a replica of a generic air cooled 911 for about £5k less than an old Targa. What's the point? Work a couple of summers at Morrisons and you'd earn enough to step up to the real thing. Okay, that's not strictly true if your idea of the real thing is a 2.7 RS, but you're still going to be closer with a real 911 than a cut'n'shut Beetle. And don't even get me started on Peugeot-based Ferrari replicas. I'd rather take a 406 Coupe - at least that was designed by the right person.

Some, though, make sense. You can get an XK engine prepared to more or less the right spec for a C or D-Type Jag, driving a suitable live axle in a car that weighs the same, sounds the same and goes the same, with proper aluminium bodywork all for a tenth of the price. Ditto for the better GT40 and Cobra replicas.

The rest of the time, I'd rather go for a 'lesser' original.

burningdinos

122 posts

152 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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Gareth1974 said:
This replica is of such good quality, it's for sale at a higher price than an original car can be bought for: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C513131
I though it was something done by a man in a shed with minimal tooling. Upon reading the advert I found this was actually built by a company dedicated to such atrocities... hurl

stephen300o

15,464 posts

259 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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burningdinos said:
The rear of the Ferrari 330 replica somehow doesn't look right to me. I gotta find pictures of a real one to compare.

EDIT: ahh, there it is. small differences in exhaust and in the rear clamshell. Still a convincingly replica, I had to reach my inner geek and take a second look read



I await the parrot of whoosh..

ukaskew

10,642 posts

252 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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"And I really don't see the point of replicas where you can buy the real thing for the pretty much the same price - we're looking at you, Aston Martin DB9 and non-Lightweight Jaguar E-Type."

but...

"Indeed, I'd argue that many replicas are actually better than the originals. Using new and upgraded parts makes them more usable and more reliable."

Vee12V

1,411 posts

191 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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Nothing wrong with a proper replica (or recreation as they like to call them), but a truly GOOD replica also costs a fortune. Simple as that.

Esseesse

9,027 posts

239 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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scratchchin With the advent of increasingly cheap 3D printing, and also creating accurate models from photographs... hmmm

firewallguy

192 posts

182 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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A GT40 replica (presumably) passed me going the other way last week, and it certainly looked the part on it's contemporary number plate.

405dogvan

5,329 posts

296 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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Some 'replicas' are really not replicas at all - they're continuations or even improvements - but we get so picky about this stuff.

Yeah, some replicas (indeed most things which identify as 'replicas') are janky bodyswaps and nasty fibreglass stboxes - but a lot are way, way more than that and some - well - some are better than the originals in all but pedigree.

'Real' owners get snippy of course, but fk them, they are more about having a 'rare' or 'valuable' car than a good one.

I refer everyone to this video - this man does not own a 250TR Testarossa - I think he owns something FAR FAR FAR more special and I admire every mm of what he did - I'd take his over the real thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttl-kF8Rbuo

It's fking JOYOUS - the bit where he's tuning the engine is porn.

g7jhp

7,034 posts

269 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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Not sure I could justify £79k on an AC Cobra replica when I could have a 997.1 GT3 or Ferrari 355 for similar money.

Chris71

21,549 posts

273 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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burningdinos said:
Gareth1974 said:
This replica is of such good quality, it's for sale at a higher price than an original car can be bought for: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C513131
I though it was something done by a man in a shed with minimal tooling. Upon reading the advert I found this was actually built by a company dedicated to such atrocities... hurl
Wow, that is particularly horrendous.



He intended to put a 1.5-litre diesel engine in it. Presumably the old Rover one given the car's old Metro base too. Words fail me.

ETA This does happen further up the tree too. Before the prices went really silly you could buy a Series III E-Type for the not much more than one of the Series I replicas that was out there. You can still buy any number of dubious kit replicas for around the same price as an entry level Aston Martin V8 Vantage.

This doesn't actually look too badly executed, but still, why would you? Get a real Ferrari 456 for the same money. ;-)

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/k...


Edited by Chris71 on Thursday 17th September 12:51

100SRV

2,384 posts

273 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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I visited a race car workshop a while ago, work in progress included two "Cobras" being prepared for racing and a replica GT40 with motive parts borrowed from a genuine GT40. Reason was that the owner wanted to race the GT40 and it was cheaper to have a replica shell to risk instead of the more valuable original.

If a near-identical (powertrain, chassis, bodywork) replica means you can see them being used (e.g. racing) then that has to be a good thing!