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dieseluser07

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2,452 posts

147 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Anyone with a company car who also funds thier own private car for whatever reason?

Im debating between taking a car allowance and getting something like a leon fr cr170 and mapping it to 200.

Or go for a company car and get something fun for private miles such as a clio 197.

I will be doing about 30000 (23000 business) miles a year in total, so if i got something like a leon i would get one on about 40,000 and use it for 3 years.

fatboy b

9,665 posts

247 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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I assume you mean a new Leon on 40,000 miles per annum on a PCP????

The max is usually 25,000.

dieseluser07

Original Poster:

2,452 posts

147 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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fatboy b said:
I assume you mean a new Leon on 40,000 miles per annum on a PCP????

The max is usually 25,000.
No i was going to get a second hand one, budget 10,000 gets me a good fr around 60reg

Blanchimont

4,089 posts

153 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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A 40k Leon will have 110k if you own it for 3 years. I'd consider taking the allowance, and leasing a decent car from the outset (Focus ST sort of thing) and use that as the only car.

dieseluser07

Original Poster:

2,452 posts

147 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Blanchimont said:
A 40k Leon will have 110k if you own it for 3 years. I'd consider taking the allowance, and leasing a decent car from the outset (Focus ST sort of thing) and use that as the only car.
I cant afford to do my business mileage in a focus st, i only get 15 pence per mile

Tickle

6,523 posts

235 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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I used my car allowance a few years ago to buy a Clio 200 Cup (nearly new, 1 years old). I hardly had to do many miles for work so having a more 'focused' car was ok plus after 3 years I didn't have to hand it back and it was mine.

Personally I would get the most basic/economical company car to meet your requirements and buy something more fun than the 197 for weekends (2 seats and no roof).

mk4gtiturbo

194 posts

178 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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I used to have a company car but also had a play thing for weekends. I did this to keep the NCB going on my private car policy.

Now I have a car allowance, but also a play thing for trackdays.

In both cases my daily was a half decent diesel, but the play thing is a, well, play thing.

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

161 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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I have a company car and my own, if you declare you aren't using the car for personal usage you don't have to pay car tax on it,

When I worked out what I was paying in tax it worked out only about £500 a year more to drive something more
Interesting with a petrol engine,

Did this cause my work car is sign written and has a limiter
On it

plasticpig

12,932 posts

256 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Nickbrapp said:
I have a company car and my own, if you declare you aren't using the car for personal usage you don't have to pay car tax on it,

When I worked out what I was paying in tax it worked out only about £500 a year more to drive something more
Interesting with a petrol engine,

Did this cause my work car is sign written and has a limiter
On it
I take it your permanent place of work is your home and you would be able to claim expenses if you had to travel to your employers place of business? Commuting to work is classed as private use by HMRC. Also the employee can't choose not to use a company car for personal use. From the perspective of the HMRC the employer has to ban private use and show if necessary that the ban is enforced.


dieseluser07

Original Poster:

2,452 posts

147 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Nickbrapp said:
I have a company car and my own, if you declare you aren't using the car for personal usage you don't have to pay car tax on it,

When I worked out what I was paying in tax it worked out only about £500 a year more to drive something more
Interesting with a petrol engine,

Did this cause my work car is sign written and has a limiter
On it
Im pretty sure you have to pay tax regardless, i have to travel to different places in my job i dont work from home.

giger

732 posts

225 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Nickbrapp said:
I have a company car and my own, if you declare you aren't using the car for personal usage you don't have to pay car tax on it,
as has been pointed out - this is not correct. You will pay BIK on the company car as calculated by the standard means. When claiming for business mileage, you have to provide fuel receipts and current odo, you would have a hard time not using your company car for work reasons unless you do starship mileage and can hide it. Driving to the office is also classed as personal use if you have 1 fixed place or work that you drive to regularly.

OP - I have a company car and my own car for my own enjoyment. I am quite happy to pay the tax on the company car (VW CC GT Tech) as TBH it seems like good value to me and is a very easy option. Also SMR work gets paid for and my car is collected and delivered back to me at work when it does go to the garage. Tyres get swopped like-for-like and it returns good mpg. This offsets the costs on my other car which is sat in the garage 99% of the time. The benefit to me is that whenever I jump in to my own car it feels fresh and exciting to drive as I am not driving it daily, which means that I enjoy it even more (and also reduces the running cost on my own vehicle).



Sheepshanks

41,315 posts

150 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Blanchimont said:
A 40k Leon will have 110k if you own it for 3 years.
130K.

Sheepshanks

41,315 posts

150 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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dieseluser07 said:
I cant afford to do my business mileage in a focus st, i only get 15 pence per mile
You also get a tax rebate on your business mileage.

dieseluser07

Original Poster:

2,452 posts

147 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Sheepshanks said:
You also get a tax rebate on your business mileage.
Even still, if i want to make a bit of money to go towards repairs etc i will need a economical diesel

CABC

6,310 posts

132 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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23000 biz miles is a lot. i'd consider something very comfortable and a more focussed 2nd car.
with just one car you'll be paying higher running costs for m'way miles and have a noisy car that's actually not that focussed as a fun car,

patmahe

5,924 posts

235 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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CABC said:
23000 biz miles is a lot. i'd consider something very comfortable and a more focussed 2nd car.
with just one car you'll be paying higher running costs for m'way miles and have a noisy car that's actually not that focussed as a fun car,
This man speaks the truth, that sort of mileage in anything performance oriented will get very tiresome. Get yourself something comfy for work and something else for the weekends.

Roo

11,504 posts

238 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Will your employer allow you to buy a 5/6 year old car?

You'd also need to bear in mind that if your car is off the road for any reason your employer will still expect you to get to work.

dieseluser07

Original Poster:

2,452 posts

147 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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patmahe said:
This man speaks the truth, that sort of mileage in anything performance oriented will get very tiresome. Get yourself something comfy for work and something else for the weekends.
Even if it like a leon fr?

So stick with a company car and get a seperate fun car?

essIII

363 posts

175 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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One car doesn't work. If you've got garage space then Leon + Caterham.

Hackney

7,440 posts

239 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Sheepshanks said:
dieseluser07 said:
I cant afford to do my business mileage in a focus st, i only get 15 pence per mile
You also get a tax rebate on your business mileage.
They stopped that (at least in my experience). Now, based on your claimed business mileage they calculate your tax code to include the rebate. Thus making it harder to understand how your tax code is calculated / whether you're getting back the right amount and at the same time making it very complicated if you change jobs and go from 5k business miles to 20k business miles.

Stupid system run stupidly.