Stupid things non petrolheads say... Vol 2
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I had the same thing, massively incredulous relatives that.... we made it up to Liverpool from London in a 1997 1.4 Polo!!!
Also, we not only made it alive but we didn't find it at all difficult? I couldn't quite pin down if it was a size, or age thing around the fact that they thought we were mad. It was a boring journey in the rain and I didn't want my Tuscan up on bricks :P and seeing as we wouldn't be doing any interesting roads why bother taking it?
The little thing was in great nick. Bought for my girlfriend to learn to drive in for £850 about 3 years ago.
It sort of boiled down to things being "old". I said that it would have done it when new and in fact would have been a pretty good car in that class to do it in compared to the French stuff. I think it is due to people thinking an MOT is a service and so people around them not doing any work on cars, hence they break and therefore "old" = about to break or will break. The idea of actually buying a good one and then looking after it was akin to buying 2nd hand and then mending your own shoes! Just buy a new pair. They are now 3 years old sort of stuff... I think was the idea.
Also, we not only made it alive but we didn't find it at all difficult? I couldn't quite pin down if it was a size, or age thing around the fact that they thought we were mad. It was a boring journey in the rain and I didn't want my Tuscan up on bricks :P and seeing as we wouldn't be doing any interesting roads why bother taking it?
The little thing was in great nick. Bought for my girlfriend to learn to drive in for £850 about 3 years ago.
It sort of boiled down to things being "old". I said that it would have done it when new and in fact would have been a pretty good car in that class to do it in compared to the French stuff. I think it is due to people thinking an MOT is a service and so people around them not doing any work on cars, hence they break and therefore "old" = about to break or will break. The idea of actually buying a good one and then looking after it was akin to buying 2nd hand and then mending your own shoes! Just buy a new pair. They are now 3 years old sort of stuff... I think was the idea.
BluePurpleRed said:
I had the same thing, massively incredulous relatives that.... we made it up to Liverpool from London in a 1997 1.4 Polo!!!
Also, we not only made it alive but we didn't find it at all difficult? I couldn't quite pin down if it was a size, or age thing around the fact that they thought we were mad. It was a boring journey in the rain and I didn't want my Tuscan up on bricks :P and seeing as we wouldn't be doing any interesting roads why bother taking it?
The little thing was in great nick. Bought for my girlfriend to learn to drive in for £850 about 3 years ago.
It sort of boiled down to things being "old". I said that it would have done it when new and in fact would have been a pretty good car in that class to do it in compared to the French stuff. I think it is due to people thinking an MOT is a service and so people around them not doing any work on cars, hence they break and therefore "old" = about to break or will break. The idea of actually buying a good one and then looking after it was akin to buying 2nd hand and then mending your own shoes! Just buy a new pair. They are now 3 years old sort of stuff... I think was the idea.
I did London to Inverness in a 1983 cherry turbo with 2 days mot, unseen prior to purchase. People seem to think old = instantly fAlso, we not only made it alive but we didn't find it at all difficult? I couldn't quite pin down if it was a size, or age thing around the fact that they thought we were mad. It was a boring journey in the rain and I didn't want my Tuscan up on bricks :P and seeing as we wouldn't be doing any interesting roads why bother taking it?
The little thing was in great nick. Bought for my girlfriend to learn to drive in for £850 about 3 years ago.
It sort of boiled down to things being "old". I said that it would have done it when new and in fact would have been a pretty good car in that class to do it in compared to the French stuff. I think it is due to people thinking an MOT is a service and so people around them not doing any work on cars, hence they break and therefore "old" = about to break or will break. The idea of actually buying a good one and then looking after it was akin to buying 2nd hand and then mending your own shoes! Just buy a new pair. They are now 3 years old sort of stuff... I think was the idea.
ked. Only problems were almost bald tyres, a headlight was out so had to stop in at a uncles overnight and the radio volume was broken which meant me and my friend both had headphones in to listen to music as the straight through exhaust made talking to each other impossible.Also yes this post is just to get reminders of this thread in *my stuff* hence the little relevance
jamieduff1981 said:
Diesels are great for overtaking.
Are they fk. They give you just enough confidence to commit then once alongside the overtakee it becomes painfully apparent that the engine has already shot its load and you're in that ponderous region where it's too limpwristed to rev much higher but it's not really time for a gearchange either.
Err....Are they fk. They give you just enough confidence to commit then once alongside the overtakee it becomes painfully apparent that the engine has already shot its load and you're in that ponderous region where it's too limpwristed to rev much higher but it's not really time for a gearchange either.
blueg33 said:
take it you haven't driven a 3.0 Audi diesel? Especially the bi turbo
Which are dismaly slow compared to the petrol 3.0 Audi S4 diesel? Audi S4 20012 V A6 3.0bitdi Quattro 2012
0-100 KMH Diesel 5.7 Petrol 5.3
0-180 kmh Diesel 15.7 Petrol 16.0
but more importantly for overtaking
80-140kmh Diesel 3.4 Petrol 3.4
80-180kmh Diesel 12.0 Petrol 11.8
There is so little in it you cannot say that the diesel is dismally slow. Plus the A6 is heavier than the S4
Edited by blueg33 on Friday 5th February 09:21
But the point remains that with so much low down torque diesels convince you that they're a lot quicker than they are, if you expect the power to build with revs the same as it does in a petrol engine car.
I remember the first time I ever drove a diesel. It was a 110bhp VW Bora - Damn this is quick I thought (compared to my Punto), until I accelerated up a motorway slip road and found it had nothing more to give after 2000rpm!
I remember the first time I ever drove a diesel. It was a 110bhp VW Bora - Damn this is quick I thought (compared to my Punto), until I accelerated up a motorway slip road and found it had nothing more to give after 2000rpm!
IanCress said:
But the point remains that with so much low down torque diesels convince you that they're a lot quicker than they are, if you expect the power to build with revs the same as it does in a petrol engine car.
I remember the first time I ever drove a diesel. It was a 110bhp VW Bora - Damn this is quick I thought (compared to my Punto), until I accelerated up a motorway slip road and found it had nothing more to give after 2000rpm!
Depends on the diesel like it depends on the petrol car in question. Probably should leave this for another thread thoughI remember the first time I ever drove a diesel. It was a 110bhp VW Bora - Damn this is quick I thought (compared to my Punto), until I accelerated up a motorway slip road and found it had nothing more to give after 2000rpm!
It's because diesel drivers love the feeling of a good jerk off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_(physics)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_(physics)
and as I said in the last post on the previous thread,
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ChemicalChaos said:
I've long-term driven both a 435d and 3.0tdi. As said, yes they are , very very quick with an instant slug of torque, but they are all out of ideas at 3500rpm and need another gear from their huge 8 speed boxes.
Conversley, my n/a V8 Range Rover pulls nicely in a linear fashion up to 5k rpm which makes accelerating hard through less, longer, gears much nicer than thudding through short ratios to keep on the torque curve. Ok, it's rather slower than the above but then that's down to its weight and shape.
People who think turbodiesels really are fast apart from just off the line should be made to drive a big N/A GT car like a TVR or a V12 Aston Martin, then they'd see they're talking bConversley, my n/a V8 Range Rover pulls nicely in a linear fashion up to 5k rpm which makes accelerating hard through less, longer, gears much nicer than thudding through short ratios to keep on the torque curve. Ok, it's rather slower than the above but then that's down to its weight and shape.
ksChemicalChaos said:
and as I said in the last post on the previous thread,
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See stats above S4 v 3.0bitdiChemicalChaos said:
I've long-term driven both a 435d and 3.0tdi. As said, yes they are , very very quick with an instant slug of torque, but they are all out of ideas at 3500rpm and need another gear from their huge 8 speed boxes.
Conversley, my n/a V8 Range Rover pulls nicely in a linear fashion up to 5k rpm which makes accelerating hard through less, longer, gears much nicer than thudding through short ratios to keep on the torque curve. Ok, it's rather slower than the above but then that's down to its weight and shape.
People who think turbodiesels really are fast apart from just off the line should be made to drive a big N/A GT car like a TVR or a V12 Aston Martin, then they'd see they're talking bConversley, my n/a V8 Range Rover pulls nicely in a linear fashion up to 5k rpm which makes accelerating hard through less, longer, gears much nicer than thudding through short ratios to keep on the torque curve. Ok, it's rather slower than the above but then that's down to its weight and shape.
ksand before you say I have no idea what I am talking about, bear in mind that until a couple of years ago I have a 400bhp Tuscan.
Fast in the context people are talking about is "on the road fast", yes the Tuscan was amazing at high revs over 100mph, but that's not the way people drive their daily's.
ChemicalChaos said:
People who think turbodiesels really are fast apart from just off the line should be made to drive a big N/A GT car like a TVR or a V12 Aston Martin, then they'd see they're talking bks
...and then they should be made to ride a 1,000cc sports bike with a mere 75ftlbs ks
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