Mileage 'correction' on a lease car
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My brothers been a bit of a silly boy...
Since being off work the last few months for medical reasons, and using his car more often than usual getting to and from medical appointments mostly which aren't close by, he's managed to go well over his 5k mileage allowance.
Being off work and short of cash, he paid a friendly local mileage correction person (crook with a computer basically), to change the digital mileage display on his car before the first service. I'm not completely sure what safeguards they had to pass but have assured him the lease company will be none the wiser when the car goes back.
He's worrying a bit now after getting this done that there's more to it than just clocking it and that there will be a way for the lease company/dealer to find out when they have the car back and plug it in or whatever...
How common is this, surely manufacturers would have a system in place on the ECU to log this sort of thing and make it unable to be wiped off?
Since being off work the last few months for medical reasons, and using his car more often than usual getting to and from medical appointments mostly which aren't close by, he's managed to go well over his 5k mileage allowance.
Being off work and short of cash, he paid a friendly local mileage correction person (crook with a computer basically), to change the digital mileage display on his car before the first service. I'm not completely sure what safeguards they had to pass but have assured him the lease company will be none the wiser when the car goes back.
He's worrying a bit now after getting this done that there's more to it than just clocking it and that there will be a way for the lease company/dealer to find out when they have the car back and plug it in or whatever...
How common is this, surely manufacturers would have a system in place on the ECU to log this sort of thing and make it unable to be wiped off?
A quote for you...................
Rupert Pontin, head of valuations at Glass's, said: 'Some drivers facing a PCP returns charge may consider clocking as an easy way of avoiding payment, but their actions are illegal.
'The issue tends to come to light when the car is prepared for sale either by the original dealer or another who has subsequently bought the car, probably at auction.
'When they plug the vehicle into their diagnostic rig as part of their standard vehicle preparation procedure and, depending on the model, an error code will show what has occurred.'
'This places the dealer in a very difficult position because it is next to impossible to prove when the clocking took place.
'It is often too late to take any action against the driver because the PCP returns paperwork has already been processed and, anyway, they will usually just deny that they have clocked the car.One solution is for dealers to check vehicles for clocking as part of their standard returns procedure. This would effectively 'prove' that the vehicle had been clocked during the contract period, placing the onus on the driver for what is, after all, a form of fraud and quite a serious crime.”
Rupert Pontin, head of valuations at Glass's, said: 'Some drivers facing a PCP returns charge may consider clocking as an easy way of avoiding payment, but their actions are illegal.
'The issue tends to come to light when the car is prepared for sale either by the original dealer or another who has subsequently bought the car, probably at auction.
'When they plug the vehicle into their diagnostic rig as part of their standard vehicle preparation procedure and, depending on the model, an error code will show what has occurred.'
'This places the dealer in a very difficult position because it is next to impossible to prove when the clocking took place.
'It is often too late to take any action against the driver because the PCP returns paperwork has already been processed and, anyway, they will usually just deny that they have clocked the car.One solution is for dealers to check vehicles for clocking as part of their standard returns procedure. This would effectively 'prove' that the vehicle had been clocked during the contract period, placing the onus on the driver for what is, after all, a form of fraud and quite a serious crime.”
Edited by smashy on Monday 15th February 18:33
smashy said:
A quote for you...................
Rupert Pontin, head of valuations at Glass's, said: 'Some drivers facing a PCP returns charge may consider clocking as an easy way of avoiding payment, but their actions are illegal.
'The issue tends to come to light when the car is prepared for sale either by the original dealer or another who has subsequently bought the car, probably at auction.
'When they plug the vehicle into their diagnostic rig as part of their standard vehicle preparation procedure and, depending on the model, an error code will show what has occurred.'
'This places the dealer in a very difficult position because it is next to impossible to prove when the clocking took place.
'It is often too late to take any action against the driver because the PCP returns paperwork has already been processed and, anyway, they will usually just deny that they have clocked the car.One solution is for dealers to check vehicles for clocking as part of their standard returns procedure. This would effectively 'prove' that the vehicle had been clocked during the contract period, placing the onus on the driver for what is, after all, a form of fraud and quite a serious crime.”
Thank you for your replyRupert Pontin, head of valuations at Glass's, said: 'Some drivers facing a PCP returns charge may consider clocking as an easy way of avoiding payment, but their actions are illegal.
'The issue tends to come to light when the car is prepared for sale either by the original dealer or another who has subsequently bought the car, probably at auction.
'When they plug the vehicle into their diagnostic rig as part of their standard vehicle preparation procedure and, depending on the model, an error code will show what has occurred.'
'This places the dealer in a very difficult position because it is next to impossible to prove when the clocking took place.
'It is often too late to take any action against the driver because the PCP returns paperwork has already been processed and, anyway, they will usually just deny that they have clocked the car.One solution is for dealers to check vehicles for clocking as part of their standard returns procedure. This would effectively 'prove' that the vehicle had been clocked during the contract period, placing the onus on the driver for what is, after all, a form of fraud and quite a serious crime.”
Edited by smashy on Monday 15th February 18:33
How much has he gone over, 2k, 3k, 5k?
No idea what the excess rate would be, but surely its better and legal to just pay up, even speak to the lease company.
Lets just say its 19 pence/mile x 3000 (no idea whether that is expensive or cheap) its 'only' gonna be 600 quid ish including admin, surely better than getting in the s
t, especially if he has ill health.
No idea what the excess rate would be, but surely its better and legal to just pay up, even speak to the lease company.
Lets just say its 19 pence/mile x 3000 (no idea whether that is expensive or cheap) its 'only' gonna be 600 quid ish including admin, surely better than getting in the s
t, especially if he has ill health.k-ink said:
Your brother is a stinking crook. Tell him to grow up and take responsibility, like a real man.
Bit harsh no? If I had been unable to work due to health reasons and had a reduced income, maybe with mouths to feed and bills to pay, I know what I'd be doing.. Hardly the crime of the century is it? If he was stealing from a hard working self employed person I'd agree, but some big multi £££ business... I doubt karma is going to be visiting him anytime soon!Chateauneufdupape said:
My brothers been a bit of a silly boy...
Since being off work the last few months for medical reasons, and using his car more often than usual getting to and from medical appointments mostly which aren't close by, he's managed to go well over his 5k mileage allowance.
Being off work and short of cash, he paid a friendly local mileage correction person (crook with a computer basically), to change the digital mileage display on his car before the first service. I'm not completely sure what safeguards they had to pass but have assured him the lease company will be none the wiser when the car goes back.
He's worrying a bit now after getting this done that there's more to it than just clocking it and that there will be a way for the lease company/dealer to find out when they have the car back and plug it in or whatever...
How common is this, surely manufacturers would have a system in place on the ECU to log this sort of thing and make it unable to be wiped off?
For posterity. Since being off work the last few months for medical reasons, and using his car more often than usual getting to and from medical appointments mostly which aren't close by, he's managed to go well over his 5k mileage allowance.
Being off work and short of cash, he paid a friendly local mileage correction person (crook with a computer basically), to change the digital mileage display on his car before the first service. I'm not completely sure what safeguards they had to pass but have assured him the lease company will be none the wiser when the car goes back.
He's worrying a bit now after getting this done that there's more to it than just clocking it and that there will be a way for the lease company/dealer to find out when they have the car back and plug it in or whatever...
How common is this, surely manufacturers would have a system in place on the ECU to log this sort of thing and make it unable to be wiped off?
I'd be happy to place a bet saying you could wind a car back by 100k and never hear from the manufacturer or returning dealer again until it's far too late to care.
Happens every day, 100's of times a day.
Dealers don't have enough time or care enough to check px's that thouroughly or pcp returns, i caught one today that had been done probably been clocked very crudely, most won't check though.
Happens every day, 100's of times a day.
Dealers don't have enough time or care enough to check px's that thouroughly or pcp returns, i caught one today that had been done probably been clocked very crudely, most won't check though.
Pacman1978 said:
Bit harsh no? If I had been unable to work due to health reasons and had a reduced income, maybe with mouths to feed and bills to pay, I know what I'd be doing.. Hardly the crime of the century is it? If he was stealing from a hard working self employed person I'd agree, but some big multi £££ business... I doubt karma is going to be visiting him anytime soon!
Probably more of an issue for the poor sod who buys it next from a dealer in good faith. It's them your brother is effectively robbing.Pacman1978 said:
Bit harsh no? If I had been unable to work due to health reasons and had a reduced income, maybe with mouths to feed and bills to pay, I know what I'd be doing.. Hardly the crime of the century is it? If he was stealing from a hard working self employed person I'd agree, but some big multi £££ business... I doubt karma is going to be visiting him anytime soon!
Yet another lying thieving scum bag. Thanks for your contribution to the world.mikearwas said:
Probably more of an issue for the poor sod who buys it next from a dealer in good faith. It's them your brother is effectively robbing.
See your point but if its just a few K's then its no great shake is it. In reality common sense says its to be expected when buying ex lease motors. Who is to say if the OP's brother hadn't paid to clock it, that the dealer wouldn't do it anyways? So long as the vehicle is safe and not a death trap then he can sleep easy. I agree its not exactly the trait of honesty but it sounds like there were extenuating circumstances. Better the cash in his pocket than some big business I say.. that's not to say its an acceptable to do numerous times. Bit like underpaying a train fare?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff