V5 with no new keeper supplement

[T-J-C]

Hello,

I'm interested in buying a car, however when I asked to check the V5, the top half of the right page is missing. It was also still in the name of the previous owner. This seems strange to me and has put me off. If I went ahead, I'm assuming I would have to apply for a new V5? I can't see how I would be able to register it with the current V5.

I've tried searching but can't find any answers, so thought someone on here might know.

Thanks

[daemon]

T-J-C said:

Hello,

I'm interested in buying a car, however when I asked to check the V5, the top half of the right page is missing. It was also still in the name of the previous owner. This seems strange to me and has put me off. If I went ahead, I'm assuming I would have to apply for a new V5? I can't see how I would be able to register it with the current V5.

I've tried searching but can't find any answers, so thought someone on here might know.

Thanks

Sounds like you're buying from a trader?

You would take the left page of the v5 and tax it using that.

[T-J-C]

daemon said:

Sounds like you're buying from a trader?

You would take the left page of the v5 and tax it using that.

It's a private seller. It's a project vehicle that wouldn't be going on the road for 6 months or so. I'm thinking that a new V5 will need to be applied for.

[KungFuPanda]

daemon said:

Sounds like you're buying from a trader?

You would take the left page of the v5 and tax it using that.

If you taxed it using the document reference number from the left side, you'd be taxing it as the current owner, not the new one. Then when you finally become the new owner, the old owner would get the refund of the remainder of the tax and you'd have to tax it again.

[daemon]

KungFuPanda said:

daemon said:

Sounds like you're buying from a trader?

You would take the left page of the v5 and tax it using that.

If you taxed it using the document reference number from the left side, you'd be taxing it as the current owner, not the new one. Then when you finally become the new owner, the old owner would get the refund of the remainder of the tax and you'd have to tax it again.

Is there not a "new keeper" section to fill in on the LH page?

There is on the one i'm looking at right now...

Fill that in, take it to your local post office, and tax it. That triggers a new v5 to be generated and posted out.

[KungFuPanda]

New keeper slip is on the right I think.

[KungFuPanda]

daemon said:

KungFuPanda said:

daemon said:

Sounds like you're buying from a trader?

You would take the left page of the v5 and tax it using that.

If you taxed it using the document reference number from the left side, you'd be taxing it as the current owner, not the new one. Then when you finally become the new owner, the old owner would get the refund of the remainder of the tax and you'd have to tax it again.

Is there not a "new keeper" section to fill in on the LH page?

There is on the one i'm looking at right now...

Fill that in, take it to your local post office, and tax it. That triggers a new v5 to be generated and posted out.

I get what you mean now but I reckon it'll still be taxed under the old owner's details as the reference number under the new keeper slip is slightly different to the main V5 reference to differentiate between a new and old keeper.

[daemon]

KungFuPanda said:

New keeper slip is on the right I think.

Yes, but fill in Section 6 and take that to your post office.

They will tax it based on that, take the left hand page off you and send it to the DVA.

I've had both sides before and they handed the whole of the right side back to me and just took the left side as they dont care about it IF they have the left side.

[daemon]

KungFuPanda said:

daemon said:

KungFuPanda said:

daemon said:

Sounds like you're buying from a trader?

You would take the left page of the v5 and tax it using that.

If you taxed it using the document reference number from the left side, you'd be taxing it as the current owner, not the new one. Then when you finally become the new owner, the old owner would get the refund of the remainder of the tax and you'd have to tax it again.

Is there not a "new keeper" section to fill in on the LH page?

There is on the one i'm looking at right now...

Fill that in, take it to your local post office, and tax it. That triggers a new v5 to be generated and posted out.

I get what you mean now but I reckon it'll still be taxed under the old owner's details as the reference number under the new keeper slip is slightly different to the main V5 reference to differentiate between a new and old keeper.

No.

You will note that the bit you've masked with "asterisks" on the RHS says "this will NOT produce a registration certificate"

its the completed LHS section 6, and signed and dated by the seller and the buyer that generates the new V5C. The seller should post that off, however your local post office will take it off you and tax the vehicle off it.

Edited by daemon on Sunday 22 May 13:24

[daemon]

KungFuPanda said:

I get what you mean now but I reckon it'll still be taxed under the old owner's details as the reference number under the new keeper slip is slightly different to the main V5 reference to differentiate between a new and old keeper.

The doc reference number is the same, just prefixed (in my case anyway) with a "3"

[KungFuPanda]

daemon said:

KungFuPanda said:

daemon said:

KungFuPanda said:

daemon said:

Sounds like you're buying from a trader?

You would take the left page of the v5 and tax it using that.

If you taxed it using the document reference number from the left side, you'd be taxing it as the current owner, not the new one. Then when you finally become the new owner, the old owner would get the refund of the remainder of the tax and you'd have to tax it again.

Is there not a "new keeper" section to fill in on the LH page?

There is on the one i'm looking at right now...

Fill that in, take it to your local post office, and tax it. That triggers a new v5 to be generated and posted out.

I get what you mean now but I reckon it'll still be taxed under the old owner's details as the reference number under the new keeper slip is slightly different to the main V5 reference to differentiate between a new and old keeper.

No.

You will note that the bit you've masked with "asterisks" on the RHS says "this will NOT produce a registration certificate"

its the completed LHS section 6, and signed and dated by the seller and the buyer that generates the new V5C. The seller should post that off, however your local post office will take it off you and tax the vehicle off it.

Edited by daemon on Sunday 22 May 13:24

I'm not disputing the fact that a completed right side of the V5 will produce a new V5. That's down to the seller to complete, sign and send off to the DVLA.

The new keeper however cannot use the left side of the V5 only to tax the vehicle. They have to use the new keeper slip. As you say, the new keeper slip you have in front of you has a slightly different reference number, this differentiates between the new keeper or the old keeper taxing it. Without having the new keeper slip, the OP won't know if the reference number is prefixed by a 3 or whatever other number it maybe.

See here...

[daemon]

KungFuPanda said:

I'm not disputing the fact that a completed right side of the V5 will produce a new V5. That's down to the seller to complete, sign and send off to the DVLA.

The new keeper however cannot use the left side of the V5 only to tax the vehicle. They have to use the new keeper slip. As you say, the new keeper slip you have in front of you has a slightly different reference number, this differentiates between the new keeper or the old keeper taxing it. Without having the new keeper slip, the OP won't know if the reference number is prefixed by a 3 or whatever other number it maybe.

Yes they can use the left side, and no thy dont HAVE to use the right side.

You simply fill in section 6 of the left hand side, and both seller and buyer sign and date it.

The post office only use the reference number to tax it - they dont particularly care who taxes it and the LHS being sent to the DVA by them generates the new V5C

Trust me on this - I've done it several times, no issue at all.

[KungFuPanda]

First sentence, I meant left side.

Well, I've never tried doing it at the post office the way you describe but you do understand from the information I've got from the DVLA website, I thought it couldn't be done. You lear something new everyday.

[SmoothCriminal]

Why are you lot talking about tax? He said it's going to be off the road for 6 months.

Op can you apply for a new v5 online using the doc number from the side of the v5 you have?

[daemon]

KungFuPanda said:

First sentence, I meant left side.

Well, I've never tried doing it at the post office the way you describe but you do understand from the information I've got from the DVLA website, I thought it couldn't be done. You lear something new everyday.

All the post office do is use the document reference number.

The reason its worded like that on their website is because the seller is supposed to send the LHS back to the DVA, however if they give you it, then you can tax using it.

Its a bit of a "short circuiting" of the documented process, but it does work.

[daemon]

SmoothCriminal said:

Why are you lot talking about tax? He said it's going to be off the road for 6 months.

Op can you apply for a new v5 online using the doc number from the side of the v5 you have?

True. My bad.

I would have thought completing the details in section 6, having both parties sign and date and sending off would generate a new V5c - UNLESS this isnt the current V5C but an old one.

[Roo]

SmoothCriminal said:

Why are you lot talking about tax? He said it's going to be off the road for 6 months.

Op can you apply for a new v5 online using the doc number from the side of the v5 you have?

Without the new keeper supplement he won't be able to SORN it so if the new V5c takes a while to turn up he could get a nasty shock from DVLA.

[T-J-C]

Roo said:

Without the new keeper supplement he won't be able to SORN it so if the new V5c takes a while to turn up he could get a nasty shock from DVLA.

That's what I was thinking.

It also seems odd that he's even got the V5 with the previous owners address. This should have been sent of when he bought it. The declaration (section 8) needs a signature of the registered keeper, which is the person who the address belongs to and not the seller, so technically I don't think the available V5 is usable to register it to me.

[daemon]

T-J-C said:

Roo said:

Without the new keeper supplement he won't be able to SORN it so if the new V5c takes a while to turn up he could get a nasty shock from DVLA.

That's what I was thinking.

It also seems odd that he's even got the V5 with the previous owners address. This should have been sent of when he bought it. The declaration (section 8) needs a signature of the registered keeper, which is the person who the address belongs to and not the seller, so technically I don't think the available V5 is usable to register it to me.

Squiggle a name in the LH box, date it. Sign your name in the RH box, date it.

Complete section 6 and send it off.

[daemon]

Just to update and confirm what i was saying here.

Went to tax the Merc for the first time today - i had the V5C in full from the dealer i bought it off. Didnt use the new keeper slip, just filled in the Section 6 and it was signed and dated by both parties at the bottom.

Post office read the bar code off the V5C and i paid for the car tax for 6 months. She then kept the V5C and said she would forward it on to DVA