New Holland BB9090

[Silent1]

A bit of a long shot, but does anyone on here have experience with one or even with the Massey version of it the MF2190.

It would help if i could ask you a few questions over email about them, i've been asked to help a friend with his and of all the farming kit he could have asked about, this is the one i'm not massively experienced with!

[skip_1]

I think you need the east Anglia forum

[Willy Nilly]

You could go on one of the farming forums, but I would suggest going to the main dealer first. The forums are mostly full of wind and piss, the dealers will almost certainly have the right answers.

I'm not convinced the Massey and NH balers are related, Masseys will be a rebranded Heston

[Silent1]

Willy Nilly said:

You could go on one of the farming forums, but I would suggest going to the main dealer first. The forums are mostly full of wind and piss, the dealers will almost certainly have the right answers.

I'm not convinced the Massey and NH balers are related, Masseys will be a rebranded Heston

yeah, the BB9090 is built by hesston and i'm fairly sure its also sold as the MF 2190, good shout on the dealer.

Basically he's asked me to help him run it as the chap who knows how to set it up and normally drives it is in hospital and fairly ill so we're both giving it a go but both of us only have experience with old small balers, none of the computerised pressure settings and windrow direction stuff

[EnglishTony]

I googled this

new holland bb9090 farming simulator

Might help

[Silent1]

EnglishTony said:

I googled this

new holland bb9090 farming simulator

Might help

[Willy Nilly]

Silent1 said:

Willy Nilly said:

You could go on one of the farming forums, but I would suggest going to the main dealer first. The forums are mostly full of wind and piss, the dealers will almost certainly have the right answers.

I'm not convinced the Massey and NH balers are related, Masseys will be a rebranded Heston

yeah, the BB9090 is built by hesston and i'm fairly sure its also sold as the MF 2190, good shout on the dealer.

Basically he's asked me to help him run it as the chap who knows how to set it up and normally drives it is in hospital and fairly ill so we're both giving it a go but both of us only have experience with old small balers, none of the computerised pressure settings and windrow direction stuff

The dealer will almost certainly be able to help. The windrow direct won't make any difference, at least I'd be extremely surprised if it did, it will want an even row though.

I would expect you set the pressure in the cab and if the tractor and baler are a good match, push the tractor as hard as it can take it. If you have a Massey DynaVT or Fendt, he probably has a setting in the Datatronic or Vario terminal for the baler, go to that setting and drive it and it will probably been set up so he drives it as hard is the tractor will go and let the software deal with the speed/load. Other modern tractors will probably have a screen similar to the Massey and Fendts. You shouldn't need to weave like some of the round balers as the chamber will fill properly, just make sure you keep it full with an even feed.

Definately get on to the dealer, they can soon send someone out.

[Willy Nilly]

Out of interest, where are you? If you are in Essex, RW Crawford are the Massey/Agco dealer and Ernest Doe would be where you go for NH

[Silent1]

Willy Nilly said:

Out of interest, where are you? If you are in Essex, RW Crawford are the Massey/Agco dealer and Ernest Doe would be where you go for NH

on the border of cambs/herts-ish so Ernest Does in benington is probably my best bet.

[Willy Nilly]

Silent1 said:

Willy Nilly said:

Out of interest, where are you? If you are in Essex, RW Crawford are the Massey/Agco dealer and Ernest Doe would be where you go for NH

on the border of cambs/herts-ish so Ernest Does in benington is probably my best bet.

Ring them in the morning and explain the situation and I'm almost certain they will be able to help out.

[Silent1]

Willy Nilly said:

The dealer will almost certainly be able to help. The windrow direct won't make any difference, at least I'd be extremely surprised if it did, it will want an even row though.

I would expect you set the pressure in the cab and if the tractor and baler are a good match, push the tractor as hard as it can take it. If you have a Massey DynaVT or Fendt, he probably has a setting in the Datatronic or Vario terminal for the baler, go to that setting and drive it and it will probably been set up so he drives it as hard is the tractor will go and let the software deal with the speed/load. Other modern tractors will probably have a screen similar to the Massey and Fendts. You shouldn't need to weave like some of the round balers as the chamber will fill properly, just make sure you keep it full with an even feed.

Definately get on to the dealer, they can soon send someone out.

Thanks, it's either going behind a Case 310 i don't know if it's a CVX or not yet though or whatever new holland call their version of the case 235/240.
So if the tractor is geared once it's going i just want to go as fast as possible until it starts lugging down?

I'm looking forward to the challenge for sure but i'd like to have a bit of an idea before i jump in so hopefully the dealer will talk me through the basics of the computer because AG-spec computers are different world to proper IT

[Willy Nilly]

Silent1 said:

Thanks, it's either going behind a Case 310 i don't know if it's a CVX or not yet though or whatever new holland call their version of the case 235/240.
So if the tractor is geared once it's going i just want to go as fast as possible until it starts lugging down?

I'm looking forward to the challenge for sure but i'd like to have a bit of an idea before i jump in so hopefully the dealer will talk me through the basics of the computer because AG-spec computers are different world to proper IT

A 310 is a decent sized tractor and the baler says it wants a minimum of 150hp. I don't think you could hurt the baler even with 310hp on the front of it and when it's in straw I'd expect the driver goes until he runs out of power.

It's when the plunger trips that takes the power, it will basicaly surge and the tractor will grunt. You don't want it to grunt so it almost stalls, so you'll have to gauge your forward speed/gear so that it can cope with the surges.

I'd be inclined to pick the reel up when you are not in work turning on the headland so it doesn't flick stones through the back window. Also, make sure you connect all the spools of twine properly are all manner of fun will follow.

I've not driven a big baler, only a little one (try shoving 169pto HP through a conventional baler ) but have been driving tractors a long time. So am taking a good guess at all this having watched them working at work.

[MrMoonyMan]

Not the same one you were talking about I don't think but pretty cool nonetheless;

http://youtu.be/UGVcTx2cf24

[Silent1]

Willy Nilly said:

A 310 is a decent sized tractor and the baler says it wants a minimum of 150hp. I don't think you could hurt the baler even with 310hp on the front of it and when it's in straw I'd expect the driver goes until he runs out of power.

It's when the plunger trips that takes the power, it will basicaly surge and the tractor will grunt. You don't want it to grunt so it almost stalls, so you'll have to gauge your forward speed/gear so that it can cope with the surges.

I'd be inclined to pick the reel up when you are not in work turning on the headland so it doesn't flick stones through the back window. Also, make sure you connect all the spools of twine properly are all manner of fun will follow.

I've not driven a big baler, only a little one (try shoving 169pto HP through a conventional baler ) but have been driving tractors a long time. So am taking a good guess at all this having watched them working at work.

It's always pained me to watch balers turn with the header down, it just strikes me as unnecessarily wearing on the machine, let alone as you say back window risking.
As for spooling, i've been told the box is better than a krone for setting up but they still use 2 knots so you end up using twice as many spools as there are strings on the bale, i'm not too concerned about that as that's the sort of thing that will be in the manual in black and white.
I think the thing that will take some learning/teaching is what to set the clamp pressure at the back for bale density at and (i think but i'm not sure if its these balers you can adjust) setting things like how many times the stuffer fires to the plunger
I think the baler will take some getting used to, i'm usually either on something tracked dragging a plough or i'm in a combine, i'm not really a fan of going quickly across fields, it always feels like you're either going to break the tractor or yourself, it always amazes me the students you see that come in for harvest and do the corn cart who will happily do 25mph down a track that's rough as buggery.

A few years back i was mowing with a krone big-x in fields that cows had been in earlier in the year, the grass wasn't all that thick and the owner said to me i wasn't going quick enough, so i upped the speed a fair bit (still slower than him) and all was going well until i hit a bullhole and came out of my seat whilst it carried on at a fair tilt across the field with me hanging onto the wheel and trying to get back into the seat
The owner wouldn't stop taking the piss until the next day when he mowed an irrigation pipe and managed to get about 20' of its 40' length through the mower before stopping, he let me drive slower after that

[Silent1]

MrMoonyMan said:

Not the same one you were talking about I don't think but pretty cool nonetheless;

http://youtu.be/UGVcTx2cf24

not quite the same but pretty close except he has a bale accumulator on the back as well.

[northwest monkey]

Silent1 said:

yeah, the BB9090 is built by hesston and i'm fairly sure its also sold as the MF 2190, good shout on the dealer.

Basically he's asked me to help him run it as the chap who knows how to set it up and normally drives it is in hospital and fairly ill so we're both giving it a go but both of us only have experience with old small balers, none of the computerised pressure settings and windrow direction stuff

If it has buttons, can't you just keep pressing them until it works? If in doubt, turn it off and start again.

It's how I operate our cooker and washing machine at home and this approach has never failed me. Admittedly, my washing machine is hardly likely to try ripping my arms out of my sockets or chopping me into pieces I will concede that point.

Does it not come with a book?

[Silent1]

northwest monkey said:

Silent1 said:

yeah, the BB9090 is built by hesston and i'm fairly sure its also sold as the MF 2190, good shout on the dealer.

Basically he's asked me to help him run it as the chap who knows how to set it up and normally drives it is in hospital and fairly ill so we're both giving it a go but both of us only have experience with old small balers, none of the computerised pressure settings and windrow direction stuff

If it has buttons, can't you just keep pressing them until it works? If in doubt, turn it off and start again.

It's how I operate our cooker and washing machine at home and this approach has never failed me. Admittedly, my washing machine is hardly likely to try ripping my arms out of my sockets or chopping me into pieces I will concede that point.

Does it not come with a book?

indeed, button pressing can both be fun and a learning experience on a tractor!

WRT to the book yes it does but there's 3 types of farmers, one who never reads the book so you find it where it's supposed to be and still in it's ziploc bag, theres the other type who reads it and puts it back not in the bag so the first time it rains it turns back to pulp and there's the third who doesn't believe in manuals or the written word and so burns it on a ceremonial bonfire as soon as it arrives.

Until i get there next week i wont know what type the driver normally is!

[northwest monkey]

Silent1 said:

indeed, button pressing can both be fun and a learning experience on a tractor!

WRT to the book yes it does but there's 3 types of farmers, one who never reads the book so you find it where it's supposed to be and still in it's ziploc bag, theres the other type who reads it and puts it back not in the bag so the first time it rains it turns back to pulp and there's the third who doesn't believe in manuals or the written word and so burns it on a ceremonial bonfire as soon as it arrives.

Until i get there next week i wont know what type the driver normally is!

Post some pictures if you get the chance - for some unknown reason my 8 year old son is a huge fan of tractors, in particular New Holland!