Sold a car with no DPF, best course of action?
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Looking for some advice as I have no clue what the best course of action is.
Basically last week i purchased a 1.6l diesel SEAT Ibiza for my mrs as a little run around, car seemed alright, the blokes that own/run the small dealership seemed genuine.
Yesterday i took it to a garage my mate operates and he called me over and pointed out weld marks under the car and informed me that the DPF was 100% missing from the car.
After being informed of this, I went on to the MOT service website to find this:
MOT Test date 24th MAY 2018: FAILED
Repair immediately (major defects):
Exhaust diesel particulate filter shows evidence of tampering. (8.2.2.1 (c))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Rear Exhaust silencer in poor condition.
MOT Test date 25th MAY 2018: PASSED
Surely I have them by the balls with this evidence alone? It's clear they knew about the lack of DPF and put it through a dodgey MOT.
Now should i go in and just get my money back or should i seek legal advice?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Basically last week i purchased a 1.6l diesel SEAT Ibiza for my mrs as a little run around, car seemed alright, the blokes that own/run the small dealership seemed genuine.
Yesterday i took it to a garage my mate operates and he called me over and pointed out weld marks under the car and informed me that the DPF was 100% missing from the car.
After being informed of this, I went on to the MOT service website to find this:
MOT Test date 24th MAY 2018: FAILED
Repair immediately (major defects):
Exhaust diesel particulate filter shows evidence of tampering. (8.2.2.1 (c))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Rear Exhaust silencer in poor condition.
MOT Test date 25th MAY 2018: PASSED
Surely I have them by the balls with this evidence alone? It's clear they knew about the lack of DPF and put it through a dodgey MOT.
Now should i go in and just get my money back or should i seek legal advice?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Edited by Tester90 on Saturday 2nd June 15:58
jamei303 said:
Maybe the weld marks are from where they put a new DPF in.
They ran tests on it and he assured me it's been removed.Also, when i asked the bloke about how it got on in the MOT he said there was a minor fault with the exhaust, no mention of the DPF.
Edited by Tester90 on Saturday 2nd June 15:59
Oddly enough I only posted yesterday on another thread that I wondered how long it would be before we had the first thread like this.
I'd get your money back and report the MoT to VOSA as dodgy.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/complai...
Without a DPF it won't pass a genuine MoT and is technically illegal to use on the road because it breaches the construction and use regulations (although so are millions of other cars that have been variously buggered around with)
I'd get your money back and report the MoT to VOSA as dodgy.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/complai...
Without a DPF it won't pass a genuine MoT and is technically illegal to use on the road because it breaches the construction and use regulations (although so are millions of other cars that have been variously buggered around with)
Sounds to me like it failed on no DPF (new rules are clamping down on it) so the following they they found someone who would pass it with a bent MOT.
Else they had another of the same car in stock and borrowed the DPF for the day. To give the MOT garage the benefit of the doubt.
Daniel
Else they had another of the same car in stock and borrowed the DPF for the day. To give the MOT garage the benefit of the doubt.
Daniel
go back to the place of purchase and inform them the car has no DPF, see what they say ? Give them a chance to investigate and/or rectify your complaint.
Also, another buyer who gets their garage mate to check a car after they've bought it. You need to start doing these checks before you buy the car.
Also, another buyer who gets their garage mate to check a car after they've bought it. You need to start doing these checks before you buy the car.
t.I would take it back to selling dealer, present both MOTs, ask for money back plus more for trouble. Imply to them what the alternative is. Also as MOTs are a hot topic, local/national newspapers would be interested, plus trading standards (if they are still called that for ‘normal blokes’).
Some MOT stations have a vehicle they use for the emissions test and just test that instead of the actual vehicle.
Or the guy that took it to MOT may have stuck one on temporarily just to get the test.
Having not had a vehicle with a DPF I have no idea what they cost. For my de-catted car I just bought a secondhand cat for £60 to cover all eventualities
Or the guy that took it to MOT may have stuck one on temporarily just to get the test.
Having not had a vehicle with a DPF I have no idea what they cost. For my de-catted car I just bought a secondhand cat for £60 to cover all eventualities
Drive Blind said:
Also, another buyer who gets their garage mate to check a car after they've bought it. You need to start doing these checks before you buy the car.
A few weeks ago I test-drove a 2.5yr old diesel car that had just been taken in part-ex, then sold-on from main dealer to medium-size independent dealer.As soon as the salesman started the engine I noticed the sickly smell of diesel smoke.
I continued with the test-drive and noticed the sickly smell (not sour smell of modern DPF diesel) again after we'd finished.
I told the salesman that I really liked the car and would have done a deal there and then. However I was concerned the DPF was missing. He immediately stopped trying to sell me the car.
I left my details and said that if given written proof that it was 'roadworthy' (or being able to watch the emissions part of its MoT) I'd reconsider. I never heard back from them.
No doubt the previous owner had tampered with it and, faced with either an MoT fail or a major repair bill to make it roadworthy within a few months, they opted to part-ex their car.
cmaguire said:
Some MOT stations have a vehicle they use for the emissions test and just test that instead of the actual vehicle.
Or the guy that took it to MOT may have stuck one on temporarily just to get the test.
Having not had a vehicle with a DPF I have no idea what they cost. For my de-catted car I just bought a secondhand cat for £60 to cover all eventualities
If they are those owners are epically retarded. Or the guy that took it to MOT may have stuck one on temporarily just to get the test.
Having not had a vehicle with a DPF I have no idea what they cost. For my de-catted car I just bought a secondhand cat for £60 to cover all eventualities
Risk losing your entire business to help a mat out or some chap with a suped up car
dhutch said:
With the new rules there will be a lot currently being caught out. Price of second dog's has likely also gone up.
Daniel
It is not that simple. More and more are close to the exhaust mani to get heat and hidden by undertrays. So actually viewing the dpf directly is going to be difficult.Daniel
The only possible is noticing the visible soot coming out with no dpf.
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