RE: Citroen DS Safari: Spotted
RE: Citroen DS Safari: Spotted
Saturday 4th August 2018

Citroen DS Safari: Spotted

Estates don't come much cooler than a fully restored 1968 DS Safari with hydropneumatic suspension



The motoring sands tend to shift very slowly, and only occasionally do true revolutions occur. When they have occurred, though, quite a number of them have featured the name Citroen. For example, the 1938 Traction Avant was the world’s first mass-produced car with front-wheel drive and a monocoque construction, and the Citroen DS of 1955 had revolutionary zeal evident throughout its advanced engineering and meritorious design.

But the DS went further, much further. There was that beautiful and aerodynamic body, for one, from the pen of Bertoni; it was a work of art in itself, with its teardrop shape and flush undersides and wheels pushed to the far corners and its truncated tail and its differing track widths front to rear.


Then, underneath it all, you’d find the remarkable oleopnuematics, those high-pressure bubbles of squishable pleasure that assisted the self-levelling suspension, the steering, the brakes, the clutch and the gearchange. It was a magic carpet ride, this car. It was also futuristic, modern and bold, and chock-full of so many innovative and clever details both large and small that it would take a week to list them all. It was brilliant.

In time, known eventually as 1958, an estate version of the car appeared, and among other names it was called the Safari. In proper Citroen tradition, it looked like no other car, and it made the most of its capacious bodyshell to house a large amount of either people or belongings or, if you fancied, both at the same time. Better still, its hydropneumatics meant that it remained on an even keel, no matter how heavy the load in the back.


In my day, which admittedly is long since past, we small kids were all piled into the back of these things in huge numbers, the only limit being when one of us stopped breathing. The parents who owned such things tended to be what some today would call the liberal elite, and they’d all keep their cars in a suitably filthy condition, replete with dog hairs, as if cleaning a car were a slightly parochial affair best left to those who owned Cortinas. Think of these people as Volvo estate owners with attitude.

They’d also keep their DS Safari for many, many years, and indeed this fully restored, rare 1968 example is an original right-hand drive UK car, and has had only four owners over its fifty-year life. For £40k you could have perhaps the ultimate people carrier, as well as one of the most revolutionary, and of course one of the most thoroughly logical, cars of all time.  

Mark Pearson


SPECIFICATION: CITROEN DS SAFARI
Engine:
2.2-litre inline four
Transmission: Four-speed semi-automatic, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 100@5500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 121@3000rpm
MPG: 23
CO2: n/k
First registered: 1968
Recorded mileage: 61,000
Price new: n/k
Yours for: £39,950

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The Leaper

Original Poster:

5,400 posts

225 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Truly a thing of beauty, with many innovative design features. This particular car looks very good and desirable

Citroen also made a few extended 6 wheeled versions of these and they were specifically for the French press to deliver newspapers all over France. I remember seeing one of these in the UK (on the M25 I think); heaven know what it was doing in the UK.

wildatheart

162 posts

198 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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I always felt the rear end of these belonged to a car that was ten years older (and less attacctive) - Presumably they did a super duper Pallas luxury version of this too?

Shaw Tarse

31,817 posts

222 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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The Leaper said:
Truly a thing of beauty, with many innovative design features. This particular car looks very good and desirable

Citroen also made a few extended 6 wheeled versions of these and they were specifically for the French press to deliver newspapers all over France. I remember seeing one of these in the UK (on the M25 I think); heaven know what it was doing in the UK.
I assume you know your cars, but CS or DX?

patmahe

5,891 posts

223 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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As lovely as that is, I don't see 40k worth of value in it. The classic car bubble seems to have gone a bit crazy.

The Leaper

Original Poster:

5,400 posts

225 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Yes, the 6 wheeler was based not on the DS but a CX. My mistake.

Shaw Tarse

31,817 posts

222 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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The Leaper said:
Yes, the 6 wheeler was based not on the DS but a CX. My mistake.
beer I thought you had found a secret car frown
Maybe you spotted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qjCrzOzN30

Evilex

512 posts

123 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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"from the pen of Bertoni"

Was the DS not designed by Robert Opron?

Edit- Bertoni did the original, Opron did the facelift..

Edited by Evilex on Saturday 4th August 10:11

clockworks

6,901 posts

164 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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My dad was looking for a bigger car in the very early 1970's, and we went for a test drive in a nearly new Safari (DS21 I think) at the local Ford dealer, Perrys. Us kids all loved it, but dad was a bit scared of it - "too complicated, and foreign". He bought a new Maxi instead.

AW10

4,568 posts

268 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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AW10

4,568 posts

268 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Jader1973

4,666 posts

219 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Shaw Tarse said:
The Leaper said:
Yes, the 6 wheeler was based not on the DS but a CX. My mistake.
beer I thought you had found a secret car frown
Maybe you spotted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qjCrzOzN30
Article about the CX newspaper carriers:

https://petrolicious.com/articles/vintage-friday-w...

LuS1fer

42,876 posts

264 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Obviously to cater for the Safari badge but the rear round wheel arches, made these far less aesthetically pleasing than the shrouded wheel DS.

morgs_

1,673 posts

206 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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I utterly adores the DS and this is just brilliant.

I don't see it worth the £40k either, but if I was in the fortunate position of having many millions I'd have it in a heartbeat.

2xChevrons

4,170 posts

99 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Magnifique! A DS Safari is at the top of my automotive wishlist. Although I would go for the pre-facelift model with the conventional headlamps and the original dashboard.

Point of fact, although everyone calls it a 'DS Safari', the estates were always to some sort of ID specification, the ID being the more basic version of the DS without all the hydraulic trickery. Early IDs only had the hydropneumatic suspension, but conventional steering, brakes and manual gearchange. All ID Estates had the power-hydraulic brakes and over the years the power steering and the semi-automatic gearchange became optional as well - by the end of production an ID Estate was virtually to the same mechanical spec as a DS, differing only in the trim and interior.

But everyone, even Citroen, just uses 'DS' as a catchall. If you're a real Citroen nerd you'll refer to the 'D-Series', which was the company's official designation because that includes all the variants - DS, ID, DW and D-Super.

Evilex said:
"from the pen of Bertoni"

Was the DS not designed by Robert Opron?

Edit- Bertoni did the original, Opron did the facelift..
And, just to make it clear - this is Bertoni (with an 'i'), as in Flaminio Bertoni, the ex-sculptor who also styled/designed the Traction Avant, the 2CV, the H-van and the Ami. Not Bertone, the Italian styling house which did the BX and the XM.

clockworks said:
My dad was looking for a bigger car in the very early 1970's, and we went for a test drive in a nearly new Safari (DS21 I think) at the local Ford dealer, Perrys. Us kids all loved it, but dad was a bit scared of it - "too complicated, and foreign". He bought a new Maxi instead.
And that, boys and girls, is why Citroen didn't crack the UK market until the 1980s. Although that fact that your Dad went for a Maxi shows that he was significantly more adventurous than many of his contemporaries, for whom anything front-wheel drive and with fluid suspension was too much. If you couldn't stomach a Safari than a Maxi was a fairly good runner-up in the same sort of spirit (but nowhere near as good-looking, of course).

LuS1fer said:
Obviously to cater for the Safari badge but the rear round wheel arches, made these far less aesthetically pleasing than the shrouded wheel DS.
It's not to do with it being called a Safari, which was only the Anglospheric marketing name, rather than any indicator of off-road credentials - although any DS is quite good off-road. In France it was called the 'Break' (available in Luxe or Confort trim, with front and middle bench seats, front chairs being optional, with twin inward-facing jumpseats in the back) or the 'Familiale' (with a fixed forward-facing bench in the back and a folding three-person bench seat in the middle). There was also the 'Commerciale' which was a Luxe-trimmed 'Break' but with a fixed rear floor instead of the jumpseats.

The estate has proper wheelarches because its rear body structure is very different to the saloon. The saloon could have rear wheel fairings because the structure (an inner structural frame with bolt-on external panels) made it very easy to make the rear wing panel removable - just one bolt at the back which can be removed with the wheel brace. You need to do this to change a flat tyre, even with the DS's trick suspension. The estate couldn't have bolt-off rear panels so needed a full arch.

Black S2K

1,726 posts

268 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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morgs_ said:
I utterly adores the DS and this is just brilliant.

I don't see it worth the £40k either, but if I was in the fortunate position of having many millions I'd have it in a heartbeat.
I'd have qualms about abusing such a beauty with the sort of gallic disregard that its designers intended, as referred to in that amusing article.

Given the current state of our chaussees deformee, the IDea of a D-series seems to make increasing sense. And the concept of starting the engine and selecting 1st with the same lever is so moderne.

morgs_

1,673 posts

206 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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2xChevrons said:
Magnifique! A DS Safari is at the top of my automotive wishlist. Although I would go for the pre-facelift model with the conventional headlamps and the original dashboard.

Point of fact, although everyone calls it a 'DS Safari', the estates were always to some sort of ID specification, the ID being the more basic version of the DS without all the hydraulic trickery. Early IDs only had the hydropneumatic suspension, but conventional steering, brakes and manual gearchange. All ID Estates had the power-hydraulic brakes and over the years the power steering and the semi-automatic gearchange became optional as well - by the end of production an ID Estate was virtually to the same mechanical spec as a DS, differing only in the trim and interior.

But everyone, even Citroen, just uses 'DS' as a catchall. If you're a real Citroen nerd you'll refer to the 'D-Series', which was the company's official designation because that includes all the variants - DS, ID, DW and D-Super.

Evilex said:
"from the pen of Bertoni"

Was the DS not designed by Robert Opron?

Edit- Bertoni did the original, Opron did the facelift..
And, just to make it clear - this is Bertoni (with an 'i'), as in Flaminio Bertoni, the ex-sculptor who also styled/designed the Traction Avant, the 2CV, the H-van and the Ami. Not Bertone, the Italian styling house which did the BX and the XM.

clockworks said:
My dad was looking for a bigger car in the very early 1970's, and we went for a test drive in a nearly new Safari (DS21 I think) at the local Ford dealer, Perrys. Us kids all loved it, but dad was a bit scared of it - "too complicated, and foreign". He bought a new Maxi instead.
And that, boys and girls, is why Citroen didn't crack the UK market until the 1980s. Although that fact that your Dad went for a Maxi shows that he was significantly more adventurous than many of his contemporaries, for whom anything front-wheel drive and with fluid suspension was too much. If you couldn't stomach a Safari than a Maxi was a fairly good runner-up in the same sort of spirit (but nowhere near as good-looking, of course).

LuS1fer said:
Obviously to cater for the Safari badge but the rear round wheel arches, made these far less aesthetically pleasing than the shrouded wheel DS.
It's not to do with it being called a Safari, which was only the Anglospheric marketing name, rather than any indicator of off-road credentials - although any DS is quite good off-road. In France it was called the 'Break' (available in Luxe or Confort trim, with front and middle bench seats, front chairs being optional, with twin inward-facing jumpseats in the back) or the 'Familiale' (with a fixed forward-facing bench in the back and a folding three-person bench seat in the middle). There was also the 'Commerciale' which was a Luxe-trimmed 'Break' but with a fixed rear floor instead of the jumpseats.

The estate has proper wheelarches because its rear body structure is very different to the saloon. The saloon could have rear wheel fairings because the structure (an inner structural frame with bolt-on external panels) made it very easy to make the rear wing panel removable - just one bolt at the back which can be removed with the wheel brace. You need to do this to change a flat tyre, even with the DS's trick suspension. The estate couldn't have bolt-off rear panels so needed a full arch.
And this is why I still love PH, fantastic geekery beer

rtz62

3,679 posts

174 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Wonderful things but one has to fear for the safety of anyone on the side-facing rear jump seats.
No mention made of the slightly agricultural nature of the engine whic really doesn’t sit with the futuristic design of the body, but hey-ho, at least I guess it makes for easy maintenance.
There used to be one on the same street as my parents friends near Sloterdijk in Amsterdam.
Typical ‘never was it’ cool and slightly bohemian owner, I eventually blagged a ride in it, and it confirmed all the good things written about them. But it did confirm the gruff engine too.
I offered to buy it on the spot and drive it back to Blighty but the owner wouldn’t part with it, saying that other than a CX Safari / Familiale / Break or whatever they were called there, there was nothing else that could do what the DS did.

fernando the frog

298 posts

87 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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rtz62 said:
Wonderful things but one has to fear for the safety of anyone on the side-facing rear jump seats.
No mention made of the slightly agricultural nature of the engine whic really doesn’t sit with the futuristic design of the body, but hey-ho, at least I guess it makes for easy maintenance.
There used to be one on the same street as my parents friends near Sloterdijk in Amsterdam.
Typical ‘never was it’ cool and slightly bohemian owner, I eventually blagged a ride in it, and it confirmed all the good things written about them. But it did confirm the gruff engine too.
I offered to buy it on the spot and drive it back to Blighty but the owner wouldn’t part with it, saying that other than a CX Safari / Familiale / Break or whatever they were called there, there was nothing else that could do what the DS did.
It is a 50 year old car, I doubt people are that worried about safety etc hehe

Twig62

760 posts

115 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Anyone else old enough to remember when they used to use one of these with a TV camera on top to film horse racing ?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

145 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Shaw Tarse said:
The Leaper said:
Yes, the 6 wheeler was based not on the DS but a CX. My mistake.
beer I thought you had found a secret car frown
Maybe you spotted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qjCrzOzN30

Tissier (and others) did Ds, too, and XMs.


Digital printing (and the internet) has removed the need.

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Saturday 4th August 12:32