MOT Failure, cant drive it ?
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My son just rang me to say Ford have said his car has failed on pads and that he cant drive it, is that correct.
I am at work and cant do anything, they are saying "the pads are 95 percent worn all round", which is funny as they looked fine last time I had a look, I said they would need doing but nowhere near 95 percent, not sure how they can tell a percentage when they are still on the car.
Feels like they have decided they are not letting him have the car back until they have changed them, told him it will need to be recovered if he wants to take it.
I am at work and cant do anything, they are saying "the pads are 95 percent worn all round", which is funny as they looked fine last time I had a look, I said they would need doing but nowhere near 95 percent, not sure how they can tell a percentage when they are still on the car.
Feels like they have decided they are not letting him have the car back until they have changed them, told him it will need to be recovered if he wants to take it.
cuprabob said:
Is it a boat, plane or a train?
He can drive it home at his own risk even if it's a "Dangerous Fail" although I would expect 95% worn pads to be a "Major Fail".
MOT guide says :He can drive it home at his own risk even if it's a "Dangerous Fail" although I would expect 95% worn pads to be a "Major Fail".
worn below 1.5mm -> Dangerous
I'm not sure what obligations a garage have about allowing a customer to leave with a car considered "dangerous"
personally I'd say they have 5% life left, good for 1000 miles?
www.gov.uk says ..
You can take your vehicle away if:
- your current MOT certificate is still valid
- no ‘dangerous’ problems were listed in the MOT
Otherwise, you’ll need to get it repaired before you can drive.
Edited by OverSteery on Monday 13th August 13:05
Whether he drives it is up to him. The garage can't prevent him.
Assuming it is not dangerous then he is allowed to drive it back from the test centre.
How they measure pad thickness whilst on the vehicle is via a thickness gauge which is held against the disc although given most pads are 8mm this would suggest they have 0.4m thickness.
If they need changing why not just have the garage do it? What have they quoted, can't be more than 150 I would have thought? An indy might be 100-120 at absolute best
Assuming it is not dangerous then he is allowed to drive it back from the test centre.
How they measure pad thickness whilst on the vehicle is via a thickness gauge which is held against the disc although given most pads are 8mm this would suggest they have 0.4m thickness.
If they need changing why not just have the garage do it? What have they quoted, can't be more than 150 I would have thought? An indy might be 100-120 at absolute best
Edited by CS Garth on Monday 13th August 13:10
Most pads are what? About 15m tops new.
So 5% left all round is exactly 0.75mm all round, assuming they’ve measured them.
But really, if they are THAT low, and you don’t want Ford doing them, why did you let it in for an mot?
If they’re not that low, you know it, so tell Ford and leave.
The old MOT is valid so rectify any fault and job done.
But I’m just baffled. Why take it to Ford for an MOT then complain at Ford trying to shaft you for pads?
It’s their mode of operation.
So 5% left all round is exactly 0.75mm all round, assuming they’ve measured them.
But really, if they are THAT low, and you don’t want Ford doing them, why did you let it in for an mot?
If they’re not that low, you know it, so tell Ford and leave.
The old MOT is valid so rectify any fault and job done.
But I’m just baffled. Why take it to Ford for an MOT then complain at Ford trying to shaft you for pads?
It’s their mode of operation.
Dangerous is metal on metal..... whilst there's pad material left they'll work!
Dangerous in this case is the MOT tester feeling they are 'dangerous' and by saying you can't have it back until you pay them to fix it or you recover it.
I do believe a dealer can refuse to give a car back, if in their opinion, it's dangerous. Regardless of whether your driving it home after a failed MOT!
Looks like they want some money..... i'd recover it personally just to stick two fingers up at them.
Dangerous in this case is the MOT tester feeling they are 'dangerous' and by saying you can't have it back until you pay them to fix it or you recover it.
I do believe a dealer can refuse to give a car back, if in their opinion, it's dangerous. Regardless of whether your driving it home after a failed MOT!
Looks like they want some money..... i'd recover it personally just to stick two fingers up at them.
super7 said:
Dangerous is metal on metal..... whilst there's pad material left they'll work!
Dangerous in this case is the MOT tester feeling they are 'dangerous' and by saying you can't have it back until you pay them to fix it or you recover it.
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No - the MOT is clear - Brake lining or pad worn below 1.5mm is classified in the Category dangerous. That is pretty deterministic and not about a tester "feelings" Dangerous in this case is the MOT tester feeling they are 'dangerous' and by saying you can't have it back until you pay them to fix it or you recover it.
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https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/m...
It's clear you are NOT allowed to drive the car with failures in the "dangerous" Category. What isn't clear is whether the garage can stop you risking the fine/3 points if you get caught
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-...
Edited by OverSteery on Monday 13th August 13:24
The test station can only make the customer aware of a dangerous defect. They cannot stop him taking the car. I would argue that a brake pad is only dangerous if there is no material and is metal to metal.
Also percentage wear means nothing on an MOT, it's if the pad thickness is less than 1.5mm. The system now automatically marks this as a dangerous defect despite the tester having no DVSA approved way of measuring this other than visually!
Also percentage wear means nothing on an MOT, it's if the pad thickness is less than 1.5mm. The system now automatically marks this as a dangerous defect despite the tester having no DVSA approved way of measuring this other than visually!
J4CKO said:
which is funny as they looked fine last time I had a look, I said they would need doing but nowhere near 95 percent, not sure how they can tell a percentage when they are still on the car.
Hmm, I'd not really picked up on that. Tricky. If you suspecting that the garage are having you on, then you better get down there, take off a wheel and check yourself.On many cars you can see how much pad thickness is left when the car is on a ramp without disturbing the wheels
95% ALL ROUND is a little suspicious....
kambites said:
I don't see why it would be hard to measure it.
If you can see if you can get a long flexible 1.5mm feeler gauge onto it.
I agree it wouldn't be difficult to measure. My point is that testers are asked to pass or fail on an absolute measurement but not given a method to do so. Eg a DVSA appoved tyre depth gauge must be used for tyres making, it a lot easier to explain why the defect is dangerous. The 1.5mm and lack of measuring method has always been in place but now it's flagged as a dangerous defect when in my opinion, 1) it isn,t and 2) it can look like the tester is an idiot/fishing for work if the pad is removed and turns out to be 1.6mm thick. If you can see if you can get a long flexible 1.5mm feeler gauge onto it.
Take car to main dealer for MOT = get shafted.
If you did it any way, you were surely expecting them to do any work that needed doing?
If they were low looking any way and still took it then you were asking for it weren’t you?
So either pay up, or take it away and do it cheaper.
I’ve had a car fail before, taken a strut off and taken it to the tester and they just said ‘movement somewhere’ even though the strut was solid.
Ie, a new perfect car wouldn’t pass, as the tester was a tit.
Took elsewhere and it passed fine.
These new mot test thingies are dangerous in the hands of garages that also do work on cars.
Anyone with a brain to begin with would avoid a main dealer mot tester!
If you did it any way, you were surely expecting them to do any work that needed doing?
If they were low looking any way and still took it then you were asking for it weren’t you?
So either pay up, or take it away and do it cheaper.
I’ve had a car fail before, taken a strut off and taken it to the tester and they just said ‘movement somewhere’ even though the strut was solid.
Ie, a new perfect car wouldn’t pass, as the tester was a tit.
Took elsewhere and it passed fine.
These new mot test thingies are dangerous in the hands of garages that also do work on cars.
Anyone with a brain to begin with would avoid a main dealer mot tester!
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