McLaren 12C | The Brave Pill

McLaren 12C | The Brave Pill

Saturday 21st December 2019

McLaren 12C | The Brave Pill

The most extreme Pill yet is a bang-per-buck bargain



For the last Pill of the year, we've decided to push the boat out a little bit further than usual. Out as in somewhere close to the Faroe Islands. We've had supercars before, but none as recent, potent or expensive as this McLaren 12C.  

Of course, as soon as any performance car is launched, so journalistic vultures begin to hover, waiting to write the excited stories that will punctuate its gradual decline into affordability. You know the sort of thing: the £10,000 Cayman, the £15,000 C63, or the - um - £70,000 McLaren.

Granted the big seven-oh isn't one of the better-known landmarks, but given that the MP4-12C launched back in 2011 costing £168,500 before options, it marks the point at which this one has lost at least six figures. That's in just seven years and 29,000 miles. From this point on, the depreciation slope has to be considerably gentler. 


For £68,990 our Pill is not only the cheapest currently in the classifieds, but also the least expensive way to get a bona fide junior supercar of this vintage. For context the lowest priced Ferrari 458 on the site is more than twenty grand dearer and wears an 80,000 mile odometer reading. Even 2012 Gallardos, which most would reckon to be a generation older than the 12C, are advertised for at least £15,000 more. Consider the close relationship that this McLaren has to the company's more recent offerings - the MonoCell carbon structure and twin-turbo V8 engine have undergone the gentle evolution of all apex predators - and it's desperately hard not to see huge appeal.

The used market's view of the 12C reflects the fact that it didn't receive the warmest critical welcome when new. At the original preview of the car Ron Dennis promised journalists that what was then called the MP4-12C would be the "best handling car in the world - and we've got the numbers to prove it," a Ron-ism that reflected the data-focussed metrics the car had been designed around, but also the somewhat lower priority that had been given to the business of emotional engagement.

I can't remember all of the many numbers that featured in Ron's subsequent Powerpoint onslaught, but I do recall some unlikely ones. The 12C had the highest horsepower output per gram of CO2 of any road car in production at the time. It also had the lowest cabin decibels at a high-speed cruise and - as we discovered when we got to drive it - remarkably pliant ride on cross-linked hydraulic suspension. Yet direct comparison with the 458 also revealed the McLaren felt slightly aloof compared to the rawer and more exciting Ferrari. Or, in other words, it was very slightly less awesome than an absolutely awesome thing.


I'd be lying if I said there weren't some fairly egregious quality issues on the first cars, too. A very early car was rushed to Evo's Car of the Year test in 2011, held on and around the then-new Portimao circuit in Portugal. The 12C was almost certainly the fastest thing I had driven up to that point, crushingly so on the demanding track. But it also came with a crew of technicians who spent many hours trying to track down and rectify various faults, mainly electrical. The most frequent gremlin was the failure of the touch-sensitive panel that was meant to open the door. This was frustrating - if you were trying to get in - or amusing when it was happening to somebody else. The doors also required a hefty slam to get them to actually stay shut, and the IRIS infotainment system didn't work. At all.

Mindful of early criticism, McLaren started to update the 12C pretty much as soon as it went into production. Door release buttons replaced the touch panels and there was the retrofittable option of a soft-close mechanism to cut down on trim-jarring banging. Other upgrades included a power bump - from 592hp to 616hp - and a revised sound generator to increase the amount of V8 noise that reached the previously too-hushed cabin.

But while such tweaks were welcome, McLaren had a bigger surprise in store: the arrival of the 650S in 2014. The official plan was to sell the newer car alongside what was now known just as the 12C - the name having been shortened to make the car look slightly less like a typing mistake - but the idea of offering both was nixed when it became clear everyone wanted the newer car. That meant the 12C was only produced for less than three years, and it was hard not to regard the better-looking, better-sounding and better-handling 650S as being the model it should have been in the first place. It was a view that McLaren insiders tacitly agreed with. The upshot of this truncated life is that there aren't that many 12Cs out there - around 300 Coupes in the UK, plus a smattering of Roadsters - and they tend to be seen as a poor relation.


While that isn't a fair reflection of the 12C's manifest talents, it does mean that the prices of early examples have continued to slide beyond the point many watchers expected them to plateau. It's less than two years since we noted the first ones to be dropping under the £100K mark, with value loss particularly savage for those cars that have dropped out of warranty support.  McLaren does offer an extendable warranty on cars up to 12 years and 100,000 miles old, for a not-unreasonable £3,500 a year. But as there is no mention of our Pill being covered in the advert we presume it isn't. Which does take things to a whole new level of brave.

Another factor in the market's valuation of earlier McLarens has undoubtedly been the lack of specialists. Aged Ferraris and Lamborghinis have a relative multitude of fettlers to turn to, but the non-franchise McLaren options are still very thin on the ground. The thought of taking an out-of-warranty car to a main dealer with a major fault is a wallet-puckering one. But things are developing on that front, too - Thorney Motorsport now offering both servicing and upgrades as well as its own warranty support. On the plus side, McLaren owners also tend to report some impressive reliability from their cars, especially when compared to the more temperamental supercars they have also owned. And what's risk if not the spice that makes life interesting? 

While Pill doesn't give investment advice, it seems improbable that values will fall much further. We live in a world where a maxed-out four-cylinder Cayman S is pushing £90,000 - see if you can beat my £89,986 on the configurator - and a reasonably specced 720S is going to run you a quarter of a million quid. Against either of those value benchmarks an early 12C is starting to look like a steal. Go on, treat yourself - it's Christmas!


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Discussion

mrpenks

Original Poster:

381 posts

169 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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This car leaves me cold

A1VDY

3,575 posts

141 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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A huge money pit just waiting to swallow it up..

Dutch Mountaineer

1,954 posts

106 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Without a doubt one of the most talented supercars out there.

We now have £160k morgans, £80k TVRs, £120k 458's so at that price its a steal.

However the above cars will always put a smile on your face. Im not sure this McLaren will do that.




NJJ

479 posts

94 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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I prefer the look of these to the later 650S and quite fancy a late Spider version. BUT, the lower values of these compared to 458, Gallardo, GT Porsche etc is not because of how the car was received when it was new but is a reflection of likely huge bills and irritating niggles if you actually put pen to paper. It is good to see that the independent service side is growing but there seems to be an utter indifference from McLaren UK in terms of standing behind their early models. If I go into a Ferrari dealer, I can buy a new 812 or I can buy a cherished 355, if I go to a McLaren dealer I can only buy new stuff. It staggers me that McLaren do not seem to be interested in building up heritage and brand loyalty.

sagarich

1,256 posts

163 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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JayEmm did a good video on this exact topic earlier in the week: https://youtu.be/b1XwCHli5Lo

Sandpit Steve

12,598 posts

88 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Nice to finish the year with a seriously brave one. Astonishingly quick car, while also being quite a useable daily thanks to the fancy-pants suspension and a 911-sized front boot.

Would definitely want to be on first-name terms with someone who could service it though. The early dodgy Iris systems have mostly been sorted or replaced by now, but there are stories of dealers treating £30k gearboxes and £50k engines as non-repairable parts when they have a fault.

Yes it’s brave, but it’s a bona-fide supercar for the price of a new Cayman. I’m in!

Don Roque

18,088 posts

173 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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I had always lusted after one of these, but my ardour for a McLaren cooled.m considerably last night as I watched JayEmm's video on the double McLaren disaster.

67Dino

3,636 posts

119 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Three further points in its favour:
- Relatively rare, not just another Ferrari
- Looks a bit like the legendary F1
- Scissor doors.

Still brave though.

jayemm89

4,269 posts

144 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Oddly it is older McLarens which I would probably be interested in - most likely the 650 as they dont seem to be a lot more money than a 12C and they do seem to be a bit better built.

The only real disappointment of the 12C is the steering is missing the magic of some of the other cars in the range, not just the sports series cars.

Kinda surprised this wasnt the 52k, 70k+ mile car though - that would be a real brave pill!

VasRy

229 posts

94 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Sandpit Steve said:
Nice to finish the year with a seriously brave one. Astonishingly quick car, while also being quite a useable daily thanks to the fancy-pants suspension and a 911-sized front boot.

Would definitely want to be on first-name terms with someone who could service it though. The early dodgy Iris systems have mostly been sorted or replaced by now, but there are stories of dealers treating £30k gearboxes and £50k engines as non-repairable parts when they have a fault.

Yes it’s brave, but it’s a bona-fide supercar for the price of a new Cayman. I’m in!
McLaren warranty is comprehensive and if they find fault with either gearbox or engine (neither of which are in house) they simply replace rather than go about repairing. Somebody like Thorney will fix both for well under the £10k threshold of their single warranty claim limit. Engines are rare to go in these, they're extremely well made but being dry sump do need to be taken gentle at cold starts. Do have to wonder how many owners were giving it the beans from start.

12C's party piece is its ability to be an extremely docile, relatively economical cruiser that just soothes down country lanes which then at the touch of a button and a little more lead in the right food turns into a rocket. It's remarkable.

Mine has been fantastic so far.

Sandpit Steve

12,598 posts

88 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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VasRy said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Nice to finish the year with a seriously brave one. Astonishingly quick car, while also being quite a useable daily thanks to the fancy-pants suspension and a 911-sized front boot.

Would definitely want to be on first-name terms with someone who could service it though. The early dodgy Iris systems have mostly been sorted or replaced by now, but there are stories of dealers treating £30k gearboxes and £50k engines as non-repairable parts when they have a fault.

Yes it’s brave, but it’s a bona-fide supercar for the price of a new Cayman. I’m in!
McLaren warranty is comprehensive and if they find fault with either gearbox or engine (neither of which are in house) they simply replace rather than go about repairing. Somebody like Thorney will fix both for well under the £10k threshold of their single warranty claim limit. Engines are rare to go in these, they're extremely well made but being dry sump do need to be taken gentle at cold starts. Do have to wonder how many owners were giving it the beans from start.

12C's party piece is its ability to be an extremely docile, relatively economical cruiser that just soothes down country lanes which then at the touch of a button and a little more lead in the right food turns into a rocket. It's remarkable.

Mine has been fantastic so far.
I just watched the JayEmm video linked above, which I'll guess from the number plate was your car. I'm seriously considering getting one in the new year now, one hell of a lot of car for the money.

cib24

1,126 posts

167 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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I'd struggle to do it after this video going over the customer and after sales experience. For a dealer to say you might not be a McLaren customer for issues with the car that should have been resolved prior to delivery, is crazy.

https://youtu.be/H7qpUqwLS9o

Wilmslowboy

4,525 posts

220 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Talking to a chap last night about one he is looking at buying, less miles, with some factory warranty left, for closer to £60k than £70k.

That's the same price as a 997 Turbo.

One thing pushing values down is you can get a new McLaren at around £2k a month, I know this is a huge chunk of money, but it's almost a guaranteed maximum it will cost. A used 12c/650s could cost similar amounts (with a bit of bad luck).

I looked at buying a 12c a few months back (I've had two Mclarens before) and this very nice car had been subject to over £40k of warranty work in the 12 months before.





BMW A6

1,911 posts

78 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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VasRy:

Do you have a warranty on your car? If so, what are costs and what is covered?

I see an orange example occasionally running into town and it is absolutely stunning on the move.

3795mpower

499 posts

144 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Did anyone else spot the 12C on autotrader 2 weeks ago ?

It certainly caught my eye whilst weekly sofa shopping.

That was up at £51995 !

It had 70k on it.

Certainly at that money it had me interested.

I bet the new owner is pretty chuffed tbh.

mwstewart

8,294 posts

202 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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I never thought that these were very nice to begin with, but it really hasn't aged well. It's maybe the colour - something brighter may work better.

Wilmslowboy

4,525 posts

220 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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3795mpower said:
Did anyone else spot the 12C on autotrader 2 weeks ago ?

It certainly caught my eye whilst weekly sofa shopping.

That was up at £51995 !

It had 70k on it.

Certainly at that money it had me interested.

I bet the new owner is pretty chuffed tbh.
This one ??



It's this one that's a real outliner, perhaps due to auction fever ? Sold for £86k when the mkt for an auction car is probably closer to £66k.

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2019-1...


3795mpower

499 posts

144 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Wilmslowboy said:
This one ??



It's this one that's a real outliner, perhaps due to auction fever ? Sold for £86k when the mkt for an auction car is probably closer to £66k.

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2019-1...
Yes that's the one.
My last saved history on autotrader had it at 51995.

I did think to myself it would make a good auction fever car !

akadk

1,541 posts

193 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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If there was ever a dealer to avoid buying a brave pill candidate this is it!

skylarking808

926 posts

100 months

Saturday 21st December 2019
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Liking the car in the advert and 70k is enough for some to consider against more mundane vehicles.

Great colour and clean lines, they are ageing well.