RE: Audi R8 V8 | The Brave Pill
RE: Audi R8 V8 | The Brave Pill
Saturday 29th February 2020

Audi R8 V8 | The Brave Pill

Mid-engined, 420hp, 190mph but likely too sensible for some...



Eight years ago I shared an office with a bloke who was saving up to buy an early Audi R8, and was itching to pull the trigger. Values for the mid-engined Audi were dropping quickly, five years after launch the oldest examples were already around £40,000 - about half what they had cost new - and still falling. My colleague told anyone who'd listen, and many who wouldn't, about his plans to snap up the first half-decent example to fall below thirty grand. His biggest concern was whether this would happen before he got the deposit stashed.

I hope you managed it, Langy - but there was no need to rush. After half a decade plummeting like a depressed lemming the R8's depreciation curve has spent the time since looking like a topographical map of the Netherlands. Even rough-looking cars only dropped into the 'twenties very recently, but now we're starting to see much more attractive examples following them.

Our Pill is a 2008 manual coupe with evidence of plentiful spend and a recent dose of cosmetic tidying that makes it look enticingly fresh in the pictures. Beyond 91,000 miles - which the more conservative bits of the trade will regard as altogether too much leg - it's hard to see any obvious reason this one is currently the cheapest in the classifieds beyond the private vendor's enthusiasm to move it on.


Back when it was new the R8's problem was always one of marketing rather than engineering. It comes from the period when Audi was determined to put four-ringed flags on as many part of the map as possible, and it was almost completely different from anything the brand had done before. There were certainly plenty of hints - the first R8 concept was shown as early as 2003 - and the whole back-to-back-to-back Le Mans thing showed off plenty of sportscar ambition. Yet it's also fair to say the performance car world still struggled with the reality of the production version, which we drove for the first time four years later.

While an amazing car, it was also a slightly mixed-up one. The R8 sat on the same platform as the Lamborghini Gallardo, and shared a fair percentage of structure and componentry. Differentiation from the much pricier Lambo came with the fitment of a naturally-aspirated 4.2-litre V8 in place of the Gallardo's V10, basically a dry-sump version of the engine in the contemporary RS4. The Audi was also low and wedgy and even offered spectators the chance to ogle at the motor through a glass cover at the back, just like a proper supercar.

Which was the confusing part, because it wasn't. The R8 had been built to rival the Porsche 911 rather than trample on its Italian sister's toes, and parts of the experience felt like they had been deliberately downtuned. With 420hp the Audi's engine offered a significant power upgrade over the Carrera 4S, while being cheaper than the punchier 911 Turbo, but while it pulled hard and revved past 8000rpm it sounded strangely muted as it did so. The chassis was great, capable of both producing impressive grip and of playing in the margins of adhesion in a way few other Audis before or since have managed, but it lacked the cut-yourself responses of the dialled-up-to-11 Lambo. The Audi wasn't underwhelming - it was a hugely talented car in its own right - but it felt very different to what many buyers were expecting given the specs and styling. (The deliberate non-overlap between R8 and Gallardo grew more acute with the V10 version of the Audi two years later, a car engineered around a brief to make it feel as unlike its sister as possible.)


Other details didn't help the R8's case for specialness. Audi had deliberately given it a cabin that drew heavily from the corporate parts bin, the logic being that buyers of lesser Audis would feel better seeing 'their' instruments and HVAC controls in something so exotic, but many potential buyers struggled for the exact opposite reason. On the plus side the open-gate shifter for the manual transmission was unambiguously excellent, with a beautiful action that encouraged frequent use - although it wasn't enough to stop many buyers opting for the whizzier, bangier single-clutch 'box.

But the market struggled to digest the first R8s as early buyers sought to move on. Demand was high at first - over 800 were registered in the UK in 2008 - but the rapid fall in values doubtless played a part in discouraging potential customers more used to sturdier 911 residuals. Annual sales quickly fell below 500, and by the end of the first generation barely 200 a year were being sold in Blighty. Yet as prices slumped, so canny buyers began to realise just how compelling a prospect this German-engineered almost-supercar was; for awhile it was possible run one for several years and then get back what you'd paid.

Our Pill ticks plenty of the best choice boxes for an early car. It's a manual, which is definitely the preferable transmission option, it looks good in dark blue with the black side 'blade' and according to the vendor has recently had some paintwork to tidy up stone chips. They also report new shock absorbers all-round last year which - given the reference to a sport suspension setting - look to be the pricey adaptive items which are a known failure point. There are also new Pirellis at the front. Subsequently changed private plates deny us a look at the MOT history, but the available evidence is all positive, the cabin looking fresher than is often the case on early cars, although the driver's seat bolster shows some sign of a near six-figure odometer reading.


Before the "too sensible" mob pile in, there are indeed risks. The R8 might be less brave than something wearing a more exotic badge - including the Gallardo - but it ain't going to be cheap to keep in top order. Clutches don't last for too long even with the manual 'box, lower rear suspension wishbones can fail, necessitating a new hub carrier as well, brakes and tyres are expensive and predictably short-lived if subjected to regular hard use. Oh, and if the aircon compressor checks out - which it often does - replacing it is an engine-out job.

Yet even with those risks factored in a well-chosen early R8 still offers spectacular value. This is probably as close to being a everyday-viable supercar as it is possible to find. Can you think of a more attractive alternative for similarly brave money?


See the full ad here

Author
Discussion

MikeM6

Original Poster:

6,048 posts

131 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
A very lovely looking thing that. Such a shame that the manual wasn't the popular one.

Dave Hedgehog

16,335 posts

233 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
MikeM6 said:
A very lovely looking thing that. Such a shame that the manual wasn't the popular one.
?? The robotised auto of the gen 1 r8 is hateful, the manual is a 100 times more desirable


200Plus Club

13,598 posts

307 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
Great cars especially with a decent exhaust. V10 now in the 40k bracket is the one to buy now for me. Big ol bills await tho if bought without care, 3k clutch etc. Super reliable cars though given the performance and affordable to run. Still a stunning looking car even now.

MikeM6

Original Poster:

6,048 posts

131 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
Dave Hedgehog said:
MikeM6 said:
A very lovely looking thing that. Such a shame that the manual wasn't the popular one.
?? The robotised auto of the gen 1 r8 is hateful, the manual is a 100 times more desirable
Exactly, it is a shame that people chose the R-Tronic over the manual.

Paul_M3

2,531 posts

214 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
MikeM6 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
MikeM6 said:
A very lovely looking thing that. Such a shame that the manual wasn't the popular one.
?? The robotised auto of the gen 1 r8 is hateful, the manual is a 100 times more desirable
Exactly, it is a shame that people chose the R-Tronic over the manual.
They didn’t though. There are far more manual early cars available than auto ones.

cerb4.5lee

44,618 posts

209 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
These seem like such a lot of car for the money for me. I've always liked the shape and that open gated manual looks like an absolute pleasure to use. I'd love one and it is a box that I'd really like to tick one day.

MikeM6

Original Poster:

6,048 posts

131 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
Paul_M3 said:
They didn’t though. There are far more manual early cars available than auto ones.
I did not know that? That is good news!

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
MikeM6 said:
Paul_M3 said:
They didn’t though. There are far more manual early cars available than auto ones.
I did not know that? That is good news!
I had a manual, the click clack through the open gate was pure joy to hear.

selym

9,581 posts

200 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
You either love them or you definitely don't! I do, and that colour scheme works well.

PSB1967

490 posts

185 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
A magnificent Brave Pill, well spotted PH! More than capable of detonating a years savings for most people. I love it, I can afford to buy it, I can afford to run it, but do want to drive a car with a whiff of footballer about it? Not really.

WojaWabbit

1,143 posts

247 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
Been keeping my eye on the R8 market for a while now. They do seem to have suffered a slight slump over the past year or so, at least in comparison to the previous few years. There are stories from the US of cracked front suspension turrets affecting older cars so this may have dented values slightly.

I also think a lot of those in the market for something similar will be looking at the crazy finance deals available on newer metal these days and avoiding a 10yr old, 50k+ car and the potential for big bills in favour of a brand new, faster hot hatch (RS3, A45) or small coupe (718S, M2C, TT RS) with a full warranty for similar monthly outlay.

Cold

16,706 posts

119 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
This particular car seems to be a nice spec.

Leon R

3,871 posts

125 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
V10 spyder with that gated manual would be the dream.

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
At less than £30k that seems pretty good value.

FlukePlay

1,193 posts

174 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
This requires 'mild' bravery, it's a pretty solid purchase for the money if you can live with the basic spec looking instrumentation. Step up to the V10 is when bravery kicks in.

cerb4.5lee

44,618 posts

209 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
Leon R said:
V10 spyder with that gated manual would be the dream.
This! thumbup

Turbobanana

8,387 posts

230 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
WojaWabbit said:


I also think a lot of those in the market for something similar will be looking at the crazy finance deals available on newer metal these days and avoiding a 10yr old, 50k+ car and the potential for big bills in favour of a brand new, faster hot hatch (RS3, A45) or small coupe (718S, M2C, TT RS) with a full warranty for similar monthly outlay.
Do you really? I'd completely disagree. If I was fortunate to be able to consider dropping £30,000 on a "silly" car there's no way I'd look at new / near new hatchbacks or over-hyped BMWs when I could have a near-supercar for a trifling decade old with under 100,000 miles for the same outlay.

waynecyclist

14,683 posts

143 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
Looks really nice, colour suits it

Hate to say it but could be a future classic.

Matty3

1,244 posts

113 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
I know if anything goes wrong the bill could be eyewatering but this appears crazy money for such performance.

T1berious

2,670 posts

184 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
quotequote all
Turbobanana said:
WojaWabbit said:


I also think a lot of those in the market for something similar will be looking at the crazy finance deals available on newer metal these days and avoiding a 10yr old, 50k+ car and the potential for big bills in favour of a brand new, faster hot hatch (RS3, A45) or small coupe (718S, M2C, TT RS) with a full warranty for similar monthly outlay.
Do you really? I'd completely disagree. If I was fortunate to be able to consider dropping £30,000 on a "silly" car there's no way I'd look at new / near new hatchbacks or over-hyped BMWs when I could have a near-supercar for a trifling decade old with under 100,000 miles for the same outlay.
We looked at going for an older R8 at around the same budget as the M2C (After being disappointed by 718 / 718S test drives, had I'd known the GTS 4.0 was arriving I'd have held out but the Zed had to go) but after large bills on the Z4MR I really couldn't face another wallet pasting car. So got a good part ex on the Zed and got a M2C low mileage demonstrator and piece of mind with the balance of the warranty.

The Carfection R8 vid made think again but for some the bork costs are just high enough to make you pause. A guy at work, his Mrs works at Audi and the R8 Bills that customers face are eye watering from what she said.

I'd imagine that an R8 is much safer than an IMS / RMS nightmare waiting to happen though.