RE: Jaguar XF SV8 | The Brave Pill
RE: Jaguar XF SV8 | The Brave Pill
Saturday 7th March 2020

Jaguar XF SV8 | The Brave Pill

Beneath the elegant, straight-laced exterior there's a party animal



Many wizened, sage-like car buyers will tell you that the secret of successful second-hand selection is to test drive the vendor as carefully as you would the motor itself. You're probably familiar with facets of the theory, many of which are little more than common sense. So pictures taken on a gravel driveway with a house worth seven figures in the background are generally regarded as a plus, while any showing the car surrounded by knee-high grass and abandoned fridges suggest a more cautious approach should be taken.

We don't have a gravel drive in the images of this fine-looking Jaguar XF, rather what looks like a rural carpark and a fair amount of lens-flare. But we do have reassurance from the vendors that it has previously been owned by the right sort of chap. Indeed, two of the right sorts of chaps: first a barrister and then a company chairman. Powerfully built directors can argue over the relative social standings of both those occupations, but the more important detail is that both seem to have looked after the Jag to a degree that lends reassurance in the face of a 156,000-mile odometer reading.

At risk of a BK flaming the first-generation XF deserves considerably more credit than it has been given as one of the more important models in Jaguar's long history. It was launched in 2007, just in time for a financial meltdown and when Jag was in serious need of a hit. The retro S-Type it replaced had gone from almost cool to desperately old-fashioned in just eight years and the similarly unlovely X-Type had already tanked like the Battle of Kursk. Through no fault of its own the XF arrived just in time for a savage global recession, one that was to eventually lead to Ford's decision to get rid of both Jaguar and Land Rover and which - until it did - would starve both brands of development cash. In consequence the XF would live for eight years in one of the toughest market segments going, with only a single facelift to sharpen its case. In every one of those years it was Jaguar's best-selling product, and in several it made up more than three-quarters of the brand's UK sales.


Much of the XF's success was undoubtedly due to the what was some of Ian Callum's best work, certainly on a four-door model. Yes, the headlight treatment of this early car might look a bit bulbous in this era of low-slung LEDs, but the stance and proportions are still spot-on. (Callum fought to get the car pyrotechnic bonnet-raising airbags for passenger impact standards to keep the front as low as possible.) The interior was similarly new territory for a Jaguar saloon, ditching the much of Ye Olde hide-and-timber of its predecessors for a pared-back, modern aesthetic. The high tech credentials were emphasised by the way the air vents motored shut as the car was turned off, and the circular gear selector rose out of the centre console when it was started up.

With all the money spent on development of the XF's aluminium structure the budget for powertrain innovation was limited, so the car launched with most of the same selection of engines that had been offered in the S-Type. At the lower reaches of the range that meant a 3.0-litre petrol V6 and a 2.7-litre V6 diesel which quickly proved itself the biggest seller. But the need for more punch at the top of the range led to the decision to offer two 4.2-litre versions of the AJ-V8, a naturally-aspirated one with 296hp and a supercharged version with 414hp.


This range-topper was basically the same powerplant that had been used in the Jaguar S-Type R - pretty much that model's only highlight. But Jaguar executives reckoned that the S-Type R had been a bit too shouty, and were already starting to think about a properly sporty XFR, so opted to launch the SV8 with no more visual distinction from lesser members of the clan than its badge. It wasn't a sleeper so much as bricked up in a castle waiting for a prince to kiss it.

While most early media attention went to the less powerful versions that Jaguar was keenest to flog, when journalists got the chance to drive the SV8 we discovered it was pretty impressive, with genuine talent beneath the softish suspension settings and even a willingness to play the hooligan. The V8 sounded too hushed, even under hard use, but there was never any lack of performance - a 5.1-second 0-62mph time was even more impressive then than it would be now. In the somewhat unlikely environment of a racetrack the supercharged XF was an absolute blast, especially in slippery conditions. But the biggest part of its appeal was the ability to combine this skirt-lifting urge with serene cruising. The SV8 was only sold for a couple of years, effectively being replaced by the XFR, but now it looks like good value compared to its leggier sister.


It wasn't all smooth sailing for the XF, of course. Like many Jaguars it soon developed a reputation for the sort of quality issues that should have been ironed out considerably before the car got to market; I got stuck at after the Mr. Kipling gear selector failed to motor upwards when the engine started. Yet these days it is now generally regarded as one of Jaguar's sturdier products, and the fact our Pill's motorized till working should be regarded as positive signs - as is the apparent health of the central touch-sensitive display screen. Our Pill's first owner seems to have ticked pretty much every box on the order sheer, including the powerful Bowers & Wilkins audio upgrade, heated and cooled front seats, 20-inch alloys and the useful rear parking camera which was still something of a novelty in those days.

The vendor claims extensive spend includes a recent timing chain, guides and tensioner - a known weak point of the XJ-V8 engine. They also seem to think it has received new VANOS units, which seems unlikely unless it is has been swapped to a BMW V8, but the Jag's variable timing is known to cause rattles, presumably now solved. The MOT history doesn't throw up any big scares, and confirms the car has acquired its recent mileage at a steady rate, averaging almost exactly 12,000 miles between tests since 2016.

The advert also saves the best until last, saying that the headline figure of £5995 - which already seemed pretty reasonable for the amount of car and performance on offer - has been reduced to £5000, with the suffix 'OVNO' suggesting wriggle-room even beyond that. If you can find a more inconspicuous way and better value way to enjoy a V8 with more than 400hp we'd love to see it.


See the original ad here


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Discussion

PSB1967

Original Poster:

490 posts

185 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Great car! Except one thing: The VED for this car is £570 pa, more than 10% of its value. The bravest thing about this for me would be gambling I could off load it to someone else once I got bored of it. A shame really.

The Leaper

5,700 posts

235 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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IMHO the 5.0 V8 n/a with 380BHP is a far better engine for the XF and gives the most Jaguar like mixture of performance and comfort. A wonderful unstressed engine too.

R.

FlukePlay

1,192 posts

174 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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The list price was approx £55k in 2008, the depreciation has been savage but this represents a pretty decent buy if you want something for the weekend and smooth continental runs. As with any Brave Pill my question always remains the same, will I get a full 12 months without anything going pop? And how costly will that pop be?

John Locke

1,142 posts

81 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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The Brave pill said:
With all the money spent on development of the XF's aluminium structure
The Gen # 1 XF has a steel structure, in fact almost pure S-Type.


PSB1967 said:
Great car! Except one thing: The VED for this car is £570 pa, more than 10% of its value. The bravest thing about this for me would be gambling I could off load it to someone else once I got bored of it. A shame really.
It's £11 per week, not even noticeable in the running costs of any car.

The Leaper said:
IMHO the 5.0 V8 n/a with 380BHP is a far better engine for the XF and gives the most Jaguar like mixture of performance and comfort. A wonderful unstressed engine too.

R.
There's nothing wrong with the 5.0, but the 4.2 is even tougher, and easy /cheap to get a lot more power from.

No brave pill required for this; just a common sense one.

burpface

174 posts

184 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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I had one of these. Superb. Really miss it as my daily driver. Great at wafting, feeling looked after by the adaptive cruise/heated steering wheel/heated and cooled seats/bowers &Wilkins stereo. But then when I wanted, a sudden mountain of torque and power and it launches you down the road like a rocket. Exhaust is quiet (but nice) as standard. The supercharger whine adds excitement as the power builds and the rev needle climbs. I also fitted a spires back box, which adds some V8 woofliness.

Overall I had mine for 3.5 years, roughly 40k miles. Overall mpg 22 ish (good mix/heavy foot) Loved it. Miss it. Obviously they're getting old now but if you find a good example I would recommend.

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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The S-Type R was widely lauded, it’s just unfortunate that it was the shape it was.

Proofreading and fact checking is abysmal even by PH standards on this one.

Still a lot of car for the money and a decent find though.

E63M

35 posts

85 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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The Leaper said:
IMHO the 5.0 V8 n/a with 380BHP is a far better engine for the XF and gives the most Jaguar like mixture of performance and comfort. A wonderful unstressed engine too.

R.
How so? The 5.0 is around 25bhp down for a start. Let’s face it any largish V8 is hardly stressed. Plus you miss out on that glorious Supercharger whine.

burpface

174 posts

184 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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E63M said:
The Leaper said:
IMHO the 5.0 V8 n/a with 380BHP is a far better engine for the XF and gives the most Jaguar like mixture of performance and comfort. A wonderful unstressed engine too.

R.
How so? The 5.0 is around 25bhp down for a start. Let’s face it any largish V8 is hardly stressed. Plus you miss out on that glorious Supercharger whine.
Yeah I agree, I don't think they are that comparable. The supercharger changes the character of the engine quiet a bit, and as a result the driving experience is quite different. They are both lovely engines. With the supercharged V8 you do get a serious wall of torque, that gives it a real mid range urgency. I think gives the SV8 more of a dual personality.

Of note the car in the linked ad doesn't have the standard 20inch "Volans" alloys that the SV8 was fitted with, not sure if the pictured ones were an option or its had a change for another reason.

Edited by burpface on Saturday 7th March 07:48

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

185 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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I really admired the XF when it was launched and nearly bought one, and then again when it was facelifted.

On both occasions I just couldn't get passed the interior which I just felt was ste.

Still, at £5k, that's a lot of car for the money.

TdM-GTV

349 posts

246 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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I have one of these and have for 4 years. Their original alloys are MUCH nicer than those on this car. It's a wonderful car. Will effortlessly do big miles in comfort, it's like sitting on a cloud going along the motorway but get off the straight roads and with it to dynamic and it will happily pay the hooligan with more than enough punch for British roads and good handling with CATS dual mode suspension.

Mine has been pretty cheap to run, I've been using a Jag dealership to run mine and it's been one of the cheaper cars I've run. Tyres have been the worst expense (full set of PS4S) but that's a known quantity. Everything else well built. The one point of failure that had annoyed me was the fuel flap which is a known piece of rubbish design. It's not an expensive fix though, a few hundred quid for an improved design replacement.

Fuel consumption not great but again expected. It'll do over 30mpg on the motorway but sub-teens in town is quite possible. Back roads driving you are looking at around 17-20mpg.

Ridiculous value for money at this level can't think of a better value car.

gazzathehutt

74 posts

137 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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burpface said:
I had one of these. Superb. Really miss it as my daily driver. Great at wafting, feeling looked after by the adaptive cruise/heated steering wheel/heated and cooled seats/bowers &Wilkins stereo. But then when I wanted, a sudden mountain of torque and power and it launches you down the road like a rocket. Exhaust is quiet (but nice) as standard. The supercharger whine adds excitement as the power builds and the rev needle climbs. I also fitted a spires back box, which adds some V8 woofliness.

Overall I had mine for 3.5 years, roughly 40k miles. Overall mpg 22 ish (good mix/heavy foot) Loved it. Miss it. Obviously they're getting old now but if you find a good example I would recommend.
I had one as well and agree with everything burpface says about it. Mine suffered three issues: (1) got stuck (nose in) in an underground car park and wouldn't select reverse - had an interesting job extracting it; (2) a hailstorm caused massive damage to the roof and top surfaces within weeks of delivery from the dealer; and (3) engine went into limp-home mode a couple of times due to a sensor failing. I liked the styling better than the rather shouty XFR that came later. Highly recommended.

No ideas for a name

3,225 posts

115 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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I ran one of these for about 8 years. Sold with just over 100k on it.
Probably the best car I have ever had. Does look better with the correct Volans alloys - no idea why they would have been changed on the advertised one.
No real big expenses during my time with one. Tyres were pricey initially, but came down to being more reasonable later on.
Coolant tank sensor failed (actually the magnet) needing a new tank... I think it was less than £100.
Huge comedy moment when the sunroof switch went a bit mental - it decided to randomly open the roof from time to time. No issue until it did it on a cold winter's morning covered in snow. Taking Mrs to work, it decided to open and dumped a sunroof's amount of snow over our heads. Fixed by getting a reclaimed switch from the USA for about £30.
Calm to do big distances... brutal if you decided to give it some stick.
As others said, I prefer it to the later XFR. The SV8 being a real wolf in sheep's clothing - no vents of bonnet lovres or silly spoilers.
I do miss mine and even considered swapping back to another SV8 - unfortunately time has moved on an my new XF has better toys but even though the new one has similar power to weight, it does't feel as brutal at all.



martin12345

1,007 posts

118 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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These are real sleepers as standard and if you are so inclined it is the perfect base for a project because most of the cars systems are already engineered for the 5.0l SC with 500BHP (gearbox, intake, exhaust, fuel pumps, cooling etc). So a few hundred pounds of pulleys and you could up to around 460BHP (with similar increases in torque). If you want to go silly then fitting a 4.7 AML short engine and upgrade the SC to the next gen TVS and you are could push for 550BHP. Add the XFR suspension without the styling to "ruin it" and you've got a car that is nearly as fast as the modern cars from germany with the looks of a standard 12 year old XF - and yes, I've been seriously thinking of taking this on as a project - just need the time !!!

Newc

2,194 posts

211 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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charltjr said:
The S-Type R was widely lauded, it’s just unfortunate that it was the shape it was.

Proofreading and fact checking is abysmal even by PH standards on this one.
Yep, can't even get the headline right.


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Colin-t4n2y

27 posts

104 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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I agree with 'The Leaper' that the normally aspirated 5.0 V8 is a better engine, so much so that I bought a 2010 5.0 V8S in 2013 and only sold it last December, after 90,000 glorious miles. The V8S is a fantastic combination of serene long distance cruiser (attested to by several trips across and around Europe in mine), tyre shredding performance when required, and epic V8 howl at higher revs! It also has a far better ride/handling setup than the unnecessarily bone jarring XF-R, and far more affordable servicing costs. The £570 p.a. road tax is definitely painful! Perhaps the best tribute to the 5.0 V8S is that for most of the 6 1/2 years I owned the car I also had a Ferrari F355 F1 in my garage, and it was often a touch choice of which one to take out for an early Sunday morning blast!!

TheOrangePeril

843 posts

209 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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The car's lovely but I believe the automated proof-reading mechanism may have seized.

"I got stuck at after the Mr. Kipling gear selector failed to motor upwards when the engine started. Yet these days it is now generally regarded as one of Jaguar's sturdier products, and the fact our Pill's motorized till working should be regarded as positive signs"

NGK210

4,986 posts

174 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Is there anything more grating than an article written in a florid, oh-so-witty style that’s also awash with typos and factual errors?
Wasn’t this generation of XF actually a re-skinned S-type, which in turn was a re-skinned Lincoln LS?

John Locke

1,142 posts

81 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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NGK210 said:
Is there anything more grating than an article written in a florid, oh-so-witty style that’s also awash with typos and factual errors?
Wasn’t this generation of XF actually a re-skinned S-type, which in turn was a re-skinned Lincoln LS?
No.
Yes, sort of, but Jaguar proved that one may indeed make a silk purse from a sow’s ear. The generation one supercharged XF is probably one of the best saloons of the millennium; goes like the clappers, rides well, costs peanuts to run, handles, looks good, doesn’t break. And now available for two months average pay.

NGK210

4,986 posts

174 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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John Locke said:
NGK210 said:
Is there anything more grating than an article written in a florid, oh-so-witty style that’s also awash with typos and factual errors?
Wasn’t this generation of XF actually a re-skinned S-type, which in turn was a re-skinned Lincoln LS?
No.
Yes, sort of, but Jaguar proved that one may indeed make a silk purse from a sow’s ear. The generation one supercharged XF is probably one of the best saloons of the millennium; goes like the clappers, rides well, costs peanuts to run, handles, looks good, doesn’t break. And now available for two months average pay.
No gripe with the LS platform - once spent a very merry 4 weeks spanning Christmas and NY in an S-type R - but I was confused by the writer’s mention of aluminium construction.
The cynic-in-chief, aka Honest John, also says good things about this era of XF. And agrees about the 4.2. (Seems there are expensive problems ahead for 5.0-litre cars’ cam chains?)
Meanwhile, please stop using language such as, “goes like the clappers, rides well, costs peanuts to run, handles, looks good, doesn’t break ... now available for two months average pay“ - I’m now feverishly fact-finding, drooling at classifieds, and doing man maths biggrin

Mr Tidy

31,460 posts

156 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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It looks like I must be in a tiny minority of people who liked the S-Type. rolleyes

But this looks fantastic, and at that price I'm not sure how brave a pill it is!