RE: Alpina B5 (E60) | The Brave Pill
RE: Alpina B5 (E60) | The Brave Pill
Saturday 18th April 2020

Alpina B5 (E60) | The Brave Pill

Looks like a middle-aged 5-Series, goes like a fighter jet



Like Dirty Harry, Brave Pill doesn't play favourites, especially when it comes to those who offer the riskier automotive delights we try to celebrate. But clicking on the stocklist for the Lancashire dealer selling last week's XK8 also threw up a Pill candidate that was too good to be resisted: a 500hp super-saloon with full 'five spanner' scores in the all-important categories of rareness, value, and courage required to contemplate ownership.

The last of these not down to any obvious faults, rather one of the highest mileages to ever feature in the column. This Alpina B5 has covered 193,000 miles since 2006. We've had higher odometer scores before, but none has accumulated so much distance so quickly. Full respect to the two owners who chose such a potent beast for what such a duty cycle. Yes, the well-worn phrase "motorway miles" is used in the advert - with no reason to doubt it - but the mileage still represents a serious investment in fuel and maintenance, especially as the service book is exclusively filled with stamps from BMW dealers. The most recent of these was applied as recently as last December.

Alpina has long been one of the strange anomalies of the German motor industry, a company separate from BMW but which gets officially sanctioned access to the larger outfit's new products to create its own, which are line-built alongside their mainstream sisters. This despite making cars that, like the B5, end up being very close on both price and performance to BMW's own M-badged models. While Alpina's mission is more about effortless high-speed progress than apex-clipping dynamism, it's still fair to say there are some striking similarities between this B5 and the contemporary E60 M5, including near-identical 500hp power outputs.


The two cars had completely different characters, though. The E60 M5 used a high-revving naturally aspirated V10 and the B5 got a hand-built Valvetronic-equipped 4.4-litre V8 forged crank and Mahle pistons as well as the assistance of a compact supercharger. The M5 got a single-clutch automated gearbox while the Alpina stuck with a retuned version of the six-speed ZF auto. Perhaps the best indication of their opposing philosophies came with torque outputs, the M5's 383lb-ft coming at 6100rpm, the B5's 516lb-ft all present by 4250rpm. Indeed the B5's effortless motor was producing more twist than the M5's peak before it passed 2500rpm.

The supercharger was particularly clever as well, a compact centrifugal compressor which added assistance almost invisibly and with minimal drama, lacking the distinctive whine that normally comes with bigger 'chargers. It was impressively efficient as well, requiring just 20hp to spin at the 105,000rpm it achieved under full boost, compared to around 100hp to power the Rootes-type supercharger of a contemporary Jaguar XKR.

Both B and M pricing in the UK was close to identical - the B5's £62,850 at launch being less than £1000 higher than the M5. Yet despite Alpina's greater rarity and the novelty of a 195mph top speed - while the BMW was officially limited to 155mph - most of the era's gung-ho road testers reckoned that the M-car was the better bet. The Alpina couldn't match the athleticism of the M5, nor deliver the same level of connection under the sort of doorhandle-scraping progress that the BMW positively encouraged, the Alpina's lack of a limited-slip differential becoming obvious in tighter turns. The B5 also stuck with the lower geared steering of the regular 5-Series in place of the M5's much sharper-reacting helm.

The truth was that the B5 was far closer in both spirit and execution to the contemporary Mercedes E55 AMG than it was to its BMW half sister. It was hugely composed and relaxed when asked to deliver the sort of high-speed cruising it excelled at, better suited to a derestricted autobahn than pretty much anything else at the time. But it was also capable of creating face-squishing accelerative forces. A 4.6-second 0-62mph was a tenth quicker than the M5, while a 9.5-second 0-100mph time was nearly a second inside the BMW. It was a depleted uranium fist inside a velvet glove.


Hindsight has also turned the M5 versus B5 argument onto its head. The V10 engined car has developed a well-earned reputation for the sort of hugely expensive mechanical maladies that see fortnights in the Maldives downgraded to weeks in Butlins at Minehead, with both engine and SMG gearbox prone to stop the roulette wheel on 'aargh!'. While some early B5 buyedid suffer supercharger failures, and were doubtless glad of the coverage offered by the three-year BMW warranty, its modern reputation for durability is vastly better. In Germany, where it's a fair bet any example of the B5 will have been used as its creators intended, there is plenty of evidence of the ability to shrug off serious use. The best-known German classifieds website currently has 15 examples of the E60 B5 and B5S with more than 160,000km, with one example having covered 287,000km - that's 178K miles, close to our Pill's odo score. That car also carries a €20,900 pricetag that translates to £18,200 at current exchange rates.

Few British buyers were tempted in period. Alpina planned to sell up to 150 examples of the B5 a year in the UK when the car was launched, but never got close - just 80 saloons and four Tourings made it here. The later, turned-up B5S was even rarer - there are just 12 saloons and one estate. That isn't a huge amount of evidence to base valuation on, but less than £12,000 for so much performance does seem entirely fair, especially given a comprehensive service history and what seems to be pretty much every options box ticked. The vendor reports it has had recent discs and pads, new suspension front arms and a partial respray to get rid of stone chips. The MOT advisories report nothing beyond a steady consumption of brakes and tyres. It really does look like no expense has been spared.

One other thing - whoever ordered the car originally did so without the pinstripes that Alpina often uses to designate its models. While you might regard that as being a missed opportunity if you still pine for the 1970s, it does mean that this B5 is about as undercover as anything so potent can be. It's certainly well suited to these buttoned-down times.


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humphra

Original Poster:

569 posts

112 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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With that sort of service history, this is feeling like a pretty good bet! However, I'm not going to gamble my own money on it biggrin

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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article said:
The MOT advisories report nothing beyond a steady consumption of brakes and tyres. It really does look like no expense has been spared.
Honestly not trying to detract from the car itself here, I’m sure that it will find a new home and someone will be happy with it (it is a bit of a beast!), but why mention the advisories in the article, with the suggestion that the car has an insignificant record, but neglect to mention the 6 failed MOT’s that it also has recorded?

I like the fact that it doesn’t have the usual graphics, not my cup of tea, the interior looks ace and the subtle/aggressive styling of Alpinas always look just about right to me (love the wheels especially). No idea if this represents good value or not, would definitely be one for lots of research first me thinks!

Edited by gigglebug on Saturday 18th April 07:56

FlukePlay

1,130 posts

165 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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I would like to comment and say this is a fantastic no expense spared example but the 6 failed MOTs raises doubts. How do you check the MOT history, excuse my ignorance.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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FlukePlay said:
I would like to comment and say this is a fantastic no expense spared example but the 6 failed MOTs raises doubts. How do you check the MOT history, excuse my ignorance.
Just on the government website;

https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history

To be honest I only looked because of quoted piece in the article. It is what it is but the article gives the suggestion of something completely different.

V8fan

7,341 posts

288 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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I presume the poster above noticed, as I have that this car was recently in the CCA classic car auction. The registration shown is no longer on the car, it is now FJ06 JHL.

It wasn't in the original catalogue and was added when it became an online event only. The car failed to reach reserve and is available through the auction house for £10,500 (buyers premium included and the seller will lose a chunk of what's left in sellers charges):

https://www.classiccarauctions.co.uk/bmw-alpina-b5

It comes up as a BMW 550 on DVLA and Mot checks so I was a bit sceptical it was a real Alpina. It does have 0 grammes emissions recorded at DVLA (imported maybe?) so at least it will only be £270 a year VED.

martin12345

877 posts

109 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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20 BHP rather than 100BHP to drive the supercharger is just wrong !!

The XKR supercharger is approx 40~50% efficient at max boost.

This implies the centrifugal compressor is around 200% efficient which is "tricky"

In reality centrfular compressors are around 70% efficient - certainly better than the M112 of a 4.0l XKR but not 5 times better


Of note, the more recent Eation Superchargers (TVS) have an efficiency of around 60~70% and are very similar to a centrifugal compressor once the centrifugal's gearbox losses are included





Edited by martin12345 on Sunday 19th April 20:49

cerb4.5lee

39,994 posts

200 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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I really like that, but I'm a bit old fashioned and I wouldn't buy it at that mileage rightly or wrongly.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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V8fan said:
I presume the poster above noticed, as I have that this car was recently in the CCA classic car auction. The registration shown is no longer on the car, it is now FJ06 JHL.

It wasn't in the original catalogue and was added when it became an online event only. The car failed to reach reserve and is available through the auction house for £10,500 (buyers premium included and the seller will lose a chunk of what's left in sellers charges):

https://www.classiccarauctions.co.uk/bmw-alpina-b5

It comes up as a BMW 550 on DVLA and Mot checks so I was a bit sceptical it was a real Alpina. It does have 0 grammes emissions recorded at DVLA (imported maybe?) so at least it will only be £270 a year VED.
I hadn’t to be honest but I did get the 06 plate details from the advert. To be fair to it it scores pretty high on the provided report, presumably the auction house is responsible for producing that?

new666uk

192 posts

138 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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No, the CCA condition report is based on info the seller provides. It's essentially as high as they could score without it being a new vehicle or wheels up restoration. Scroll to the bottom of the report.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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new666uk said:
No, the CCA condition report is based on info the seller provides. It's essentially as high as they could score without it being a new vehicle or wheels up restoration. Scroll to the bottom of the report.
Ah, I missed that bit. It did make me chuckle that a four star car (very good) is described as “Driven only occasionally” in the ratings key.

MDMA .

9,928 posts

121 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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gigglebug said:
new666uk said:
No, the CCA condition report is based on info the seller provides. It's essentially as high as they could score without it being a new vehicle or wheels up restoration. Scroll to the bottom of the report.
Ah, I missed that bit. It did make me chuckle that a four star car (very good) is described as “Driven only occasionally” in the ratings key.
Don't take any info provided by auction reports as gospel, it's just made up waffle! Also, I'd expect everyone to do their own due diligence on the dealer prior to purchase.

brightonpad

118 posts

171 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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V8fan said:
It comes up as a BMW 550 on DVLA and Mot checks so I was a bit sceptical it was a real Alpina. It does have 0 grammes emissions recorded at DVLA (imported maybe?) so at least it will only be £270 a year VED.
This is quite normal for Alpinas, nothing to worry about. The DVLA references the car they were based on... both my E46 B3S and E36 B3 came up as 330Ci and 325i respectively.

darkblueturbo

113 posts

232 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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God I love the idea of Alpinas.
Looked at a B10 many years ago before going for the M5 - I wanted a manual.
Needing an estate car later in the year and I’m scouring the world for an F11 Alpina. The only one I’ve found so far was a left hooker in Belgium.
If I right hand drive one comes up, I’ll be thinking about the brave pill. (Hopefully it’ll be low miler with FSH)

Hilts

4,633 posts

302 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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brightonpad said:
V8fan said:
It comes up as a BMW 550 on DVLA and Mot checks so I was a bit sceptical it was a real Alpina. It does have 0 grammes emissions recorded at DVLA (imported maybe?) so at least it will only be £270 a year VED.
This is quite normal for Alpinas, nothing to worry about. The DVLA references the car they were based on... both my E46 B3S and E36 B3 came up as 330Ci and 325i respectively.
Yes, this was the case with my B2.5. Showed up as a BMW 325i,


Philv8s

648 posts

144 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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darkblueturbo said:
God I love the idea of Alpinas.
Looked at a B10 many years ago before going for the M5 - I wanted a manual.
Needing an estate car later in the year and I’m scouring the world for an F11 Alpina. The only one I’ve found so far was a left hooker in Belgium.
If I right hand drive one comes up, I’ll be thinking about the brave pill. (Hopefully it’ll be low miler with FSH)
Only 4 were sold in the U.K. so don’t be too choosy!

AC43

13,075 posts

228 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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At the right price someone will buy it.

Personally, I love the idea of Alpina's. The fact that this one produces more torque at 2,500 rpm than the M5 ever does speaks volumes.

My mate has one just like that and the fact that his neighbours think it's "just an old BMW" suits him down to the ground.

Jules Sunley

4,861 posts

113 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Of the four touring one was nicked and assumed broken for parts years ago so only three survive and I own chassis #007 which I bought last October. Fantastic cars but I'd definitely be scared of that mileage. Mine has 90k odd miles on her and had an engine rebuild back at Alpina and a new supercharger a couple of years ago as part of the previous fastidious owners restoration.

These are amazing cars and that one is very cheap but defo a brave pill as Alpina specific parts are expensive and even some BMW dealers are known to not fit the right parts due to the 2 VIN numbers they have and the OBD socket giving the base cars details not the Alpina specific ones.

I've been lucky to drive a lot of quick cars but nothing has made me giggle like a 12 year old as much as my B5 when on boost.

Max M4X WW

4,977 posts

202 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Someone in another thread mentioned this car, I think his dad previously owned it and it did not have a FSH when he had it but I believe the advert describes this to be the case! Certainly worth some investigation either way.

scottygib553

718 posts

115 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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I have to admire the commitment to do so many miles in a car like that. I wonder how much they spent on petrol.

AC43

13,075 posts

228 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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scottygib553 said:
I have to admire the commitment to do so many miles in a car like that. I wonder how much they spent on petrol.
If it averages 25mpg, that'll be 7,720 gallons. If a gallon cots £5.50 that's £42,460.