RE: Honda Civic Type R (FK2) | PH Used Review
RE: Honda Civic Type R (FK2) | PH Used Review
Sunday 17th May 2020

Honda Civic Type R (FK2) | PH Used Review

The Type R that announced Honda's return to the hot hatching - and how



Back then...

The FK2 Civic Type R was the hot hatch the world needed in 2015. Not just because it had been waiting so long - the FN2 predecessor having rather ignominiously retired in 2012 - but because there were so many questions to answered. To many if not most, a turbocharged Type R was as sinful as ice cold sake - it just wasn’t right, wasn’t how it should be. Could the FK2 really keep the VTEC thrill-zone with forced induction pulling it back? Could Honda, having not launched a hot hatch since 2007, really now compete in a world that included everything from the Renaultsport Megane 275 to the VW Golf R, the Ford Focus ST to BMW M135i? Perhaps most importantly, could anybody abide the looks?

The last point is a subjective discussion that will endure for years, of course. However, the FK2 Type R emphatically answered the first two questions: yes, VTEC could survive the turbo era and, yes, the Civic Type R could take on all comers - without any shadow of a doubt.

The FK2 was a different kind of Type R, though no less exciting. Gone were the frenetic, raw, old-school thrills of something like the EP3, replaced by a distinctly motorsport-inspired feel. There was immense traction from an LSD-aided front end, peerless braking performance, stability, speed and endless composure. Even if there may have been some debate about the claimed Nurburgring lap time, the Civic’s ability to devour a circuit was not in doubt.

Performance, too, was on another plane to anything we’d known from a Civic Type R before. While turbocharging inevitably introduced some low-rev lethargy (a heavy flywheel effect would contribute to a feeling of sluggishness) the new 2.0-litre VTEC revved with the kind of enthusiasm to make its rivals blush, all the way to 7,000rpm. Combined with just about the best manual gearbox on sale at the time and the Civic was an addictive car to drive fast.

Back then we found it lacking a little in the Megane’s finely adjustable delicacy or the Golf GTI’s consummate everyday ability - a high driving position and crappy infotainment saw to that - but the excitement was undeniable. It made a Focus RS (when it arrived) feel flat footed on road and track, the similarly priced six-cylinder BMW a tad wayward and most things this side of an A45 feel slow. The FK2 was an imperious return to form for Civic Type Rs.

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Nowadays...

That so much of the FK2 Civic Type R - the engine, and a lot of the front axle including dual axis struts, for starters - went into today’s all conquering FK8 Civic Type R should say a lot about just how good the first turbo Type R was - and remains.

If five years can often feel like a long time in car terms, the FK2 suggests otherwise. It is competitive today, which is more than could have been said for a 2010 car in 2015. The top end rush is still present and correct, ditto the unerring focus and the sort of control weight harmony - and resultant confidence - that’s now hard to find. With just 10hp less than the current car, it’s more than fast enough, too.

Indeed, the main problem the FK2 Civic Type R faces nowadays is that its successor improved noticeably on the irks that did exist. And, to be honest, they only irritate more on exposure to the new car. The FK8 introduced a lighter flywheel that made the engine feel revvier, dropped the hip point 50mm for a better driving position and, most importantly, replaced the old torsion beam rear suspension with a multi-link arrangement. Not only did it deliver even greater cornering composure, it made the FK8 a more comfortable proposition than its predecessor - and for most people, that's a critical advantage. 

That said, the FK2 remains a thrilling and competent hot hatch; the torsion beam is still used in new hatches like the Renault Sport Megane, after all, and out of +R mode the Type R is supple enough. The less complex set up also offers practicality benefits, with an enormous boot. A road bike will go in, wheels on, with just the seats folded.

In 2020, moreover, the FK2 offers another key advantage over its predecessor, and indeed many other used hot hatches: rarity. It was only on sale here for 18 months, arriving at the end of car’s production run (where the FK8 came at the beginning) so there are very few around. Inexact science though it is, the PH classifieds reflects that: currently there are 14 2015-2017 Type Rs on offer, compared to 37 of the current model.


Should you?

Beyond the obvious subjective hurdle - white, blue, grey or black arguably work with the shape and details better than red - the FK2 Type R has an awful lot to recommend it. Because, on top of everything else, it’s still just a Honda Civic. The boot is enormous, at almost 500 litres, it feels reassuringly well built , it’ll cover large distance with ease and there have been no significant issues reported in the FK2’s half decade of existence. (Because kerbing wheels and chomping through front tyres can only partly be blamed on the car - the driver needs to take some responsibility there as well.) 

Furthermore, the rarity has proven advantageous for residuals; at present the most affordable FK8s are only £1,000 or so more than the most expensive FK2s, and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see the more populous car begin to slide a little more quickly. For now, £20,000 gets a car with around 30,000 miles, the very cheapest somewhere near £16k.

While the Civic Type R in this iteration perhaps lack that slightly single-minded appeal that defined previous generations, the broadening of its talent hasn’t been to the detriment of character. More rounded and more capable the FK2 may have been, but this still has the undeniable feel of a Type R Honda, from the way the seats envelops you to the feel of that wonderful gearchange.

By bringing together that traditional engagement with more modern amenities and a layer of civility previously alien to the breed, it’s no wonder that the FK2 Civic Type R proved a hit. Sure, its replacement ultimately up the game by an additional 15 per cent, but that core appeal has yet to wane. Moreover, it shows how right Honda got its vital hot hatch rebirth.


SPECIFICATION | 2015-2017 HONDA CIVIC TYPE R (FK2)
Engine:
1,996cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 310@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,500-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.7sec
Top speed: 167mph
Weight: 1,467kg (Honda figure with a full tank and driver)
MPG: 38.7
CO2: 170g/km
Price new: £32,295 (Type R GT)
Price now: £17,000+







Author
Discussion

rossub

Original Poster:

5,402 posts

210 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Cue list of posters slagging off the looks, despite never having any intention of buying a Civic Type R anyway regardless of what it looks like...

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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rossub said:
Cue list of posters slagging off the looks, despite never having any intention of buying a Civic Type R anyway regardless of what it looks like...
Whereas you presumably have only ever commented in a positive manner and only ever on cars that you either own or are intending to own??

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Dropping the hip point by 50mm seams like a massive difference, assuming that figure correct it would make a hell of a difference?

anonymous-user

74 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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gigglebug said:
rossub said:
Cue list of posters slagging off the looks, despite never having any intention of buying a Civic Type R anyway regardless of what it looks like...
Whereas you presumably have only ever commented in a positive manner and only ever on cars that you either own or are intending to own??
Quite!

rossub

Original Poster:

5,402 posts

210 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
gigglebug said:
rossub said:
Cue list of posters slagging off the looks, despite never having any intention of buying a Civic Type R anyway regardless of what it looks like...
Whereas you presumably have only ever commented in a positive manner and only ever on cars that you either own or are intending to own??
Quite!
You two are just annoyed that I pre-empted you slagging off the looks.

AshD

238 posts

269 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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5 comments in and everyone is getting irked already...lockdown stress i guess!

Irrespective of looks we should celebrate that Honda still persist with a manual gearbox unlike increasing amounts of german stuff heading to DSG.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

128 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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rossub said:
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
gigglebug said:
rossub said:
Cue list of posters slagging off the looks, despite never having any intention of buying a Civic Type R anyway regardless of what it looks like...
Whereas you presumably have only ever commented in a positive manner and only ever on cars that you either own or are intending to own??
Quite!
You two are just annoyed that I pre-empted you slagging off the looks.
Yep, rossub got there first and thats all that matters.

From here on in no one is allowed to mention looks, unless they are likely to buy one.










Edited to add, I was thinking about buying one, until I saw it, my god the thing is ugly.

Mike1990

1,121 posts

151 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I’d love one in Championship White.

I’ve seen more FK8’s then FK2.

Limpet

6,598 posts

181 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I think it’s a much better looking car than the FK8. Seems to have a lot fewer bits stuck on it, and the front end in particular looks much cleaner.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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rossub said:
You two are just annoyed that I pre-empted you slagging off the looks.
Yes, you are spot on. I am in an inconsolable fit of rage now just because your only contribution to the thread so far has been two posts providing nothing other than unsubstantiated assumptions. Thank you for ruining both mine and my family’s weekend!!

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

113 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Mike1990 said:
I’d love one in Championship White.

I’ve seen more FK8’s then FK2.
Grey for me, or black. I think that they look pretty good - totally ridiculous, I like it.

These things are great to drive but the R mode is totally useless on the open road and the ride in normal isn't the best. The way that they hold the road is like witchcraft though. Traction off of the line can be a scramble in less than ideal conditions but once you're moving they really pile on the speed.

Good cars, but if it were a Civic that I were after then I'd probably try and dig a little deeper and go for the FK8 which moved the game on a fair bit in some areas.

MrBarry123

6,078 posts

141 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Limpet said:
I think it’s a much better looking car than the FK8. Seems to have a lot fewer bits stuck on it, and the front end in particular looks much cleaner.
I really like the FK8 too but I would agree that the front of the FK2 looks even better. A black FK2 drove past me the other day and it reminded me how imposing the front of these are, especially with the DRLs contrasting against a dark colour.

cerb4.5lee

40,266 posts

200 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I've always really liked these. They were quite a decent step up performance wise in comparison to the NA engined previous Civic Type R's. I'd love a go in this or the later model for sure. They always turn my head when I see them out on the road.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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FN2TypeR said:
Grey for me, or black. I think that they look pretty good - totally ridiculous, I like it.

These things are great to drive but the R mode is totally useless on the open road and the ride in normal isn't the best. The way that they hold the road is like witchcraft though. Traction off of the line can be a scramble in less than ideal conditions but once you're moving they really pile on the speed.

Good cars, but if it were a Civic that I were after then I'd probably try and dig a little deeper and go for the FK8 which moved the game on a fair bit in some areas.
Is there a significant difference in the driving position between the two? I’ve been in an FK8 and it was a good fit for me, 50mm higher seems like a lot to me for the FK2.

TdM-GTV

330 posts

237 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I think the important question in all of this is, what's wrong with ice cold sake?

Black S2K

1,782 posts

269 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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gigglebug said:
Is there a significant difference in the driving position between the two? I’ve been in an FK8 and it was a good fit for me, 50mm higher seems like a lot to me for the FK2.
Very significant; the FK2 has that slightly irksome SUV 'sitting on it' driving position; the FK8 feels more like an old-skool Honda. Rather like an Accord, in fact. It's just rather more comfortable as a consequence.

Augustus Windsock

3,693 posts

175 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I wonder if the detractors who focus on its looks might have thought differently if the rear light/spoiler arrangement that was shown in tempers pre-production had seen the light of day (the image I remember is of the rear of the car shot in a darkened room with the rear lights going up into the spoiler and looking like devils horns)?


Edited by Augustus Windsock on Sunday 17th May 10:35

snoopy25

2,040 posts

140 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Having had a 2007 FN2 Type R, I would love one of these!

Sadly until they come down to £9-£10k I don't think that will be a reality frown

w00tman

609 posts

165 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I love its looks - it looks like some mental Manga-inspired thing - brilliant.

I also love that we live in a world where I can get a performance car that looks like this, or looks identical to a cooking-model (non-bodykit AMG A45 for instance) - the more choice the better!

gigglebug

2,611 posts

142 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Black S2K said:
Very significant; the FK2 has that slightly irksome SUV 'sitting on it' driving position; the FK8 feels more like an old-skool Honda. Rather like an Accord, in fact. It's just rather more comfortable as a consequence.
I’ve been in a surprising amount of very competent cars over the years in which the ‘sitting on it’ feeling detracts from the overall experience and comfort. I tend to prioritise a good, comfortable position over out right performance these days to be honest.