RE: Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 | PH Fleet
RE: Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 | PH Fleet
Friday 12th June 2020

Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 | PH Fleet

A year after he last said "nearly there", Mike's 190E is finally back on the road



As the old saying goes, there's no accounting for non-viral pathogens. I got the call from Merc specialist Autoclass in Milton Keynes to say my 190E was ready to be collected back in March, just as COVID was kicking off. You know what happened next.

In the list of lockdown woes 'continued separation from a long-missed and expensively mended car' isn't a big one, especially as I didn't need the Merc for daily transportation. But knowing it was finished and I couldn't drive it was still a serious niggle. So instead I built a lookalike Evo 2 in Forza 7 and started to put in some serious work on my Early Sports Tourer times on the Nordschliefe.

The big relief was that I was getting the car back at all. What had started off as a limited body restoration escalated expensively when the engine started to misfire under load. The diagnosis was delivered slowly as potential problems were ruled out one by one, eventually resulting in the 2.5-litre 16-valve engine reduced to its component form, and the discovery of deep scoring in cylinders three and four.


At least this meant it wasn't a fault with the Cosworth cylinder head itself - they don't exactly grow on trees - but the strip down also discovered the motor had been given a 0.5mm overbore at some point in the past. And to get another rebore cylinder four would need to have a new 'sleeve' fitted. With all that done, new pistons and crank bearings plus replacement for the front of the exhaust the final reckoning came to £4500.

That obviously stung a fair bit, especially on top of the £1500 I'd already spent on bodywork. I once bought a fully functional 190E 2.0-litre auto for £450 and put 10,000 miles on it without paying for more than fuel and an indicator bulb. But when I complained to a friend who formerly owned a twin-turbo S600 that tried to floss its teeth with its own valvegear he described it as being a "shandy bill." It's also true that in my first five years with the 2.5 I didn't pay for anything more than oil changes and brake pads. On the plus side, the steady increase in 16 Valve values means I'm probably still ahead on the deal given I paid £5700 for it originally.

Anyway, the big day finally arrived this week, a generous mate agreeing to give me a lift to MK and spare me from Google's recommendation of a four-hour bus-train-bus-bus odyssey. But before that long anticipated first drive a delay while number plates were swapped to a private reg I bought for the car several years ago, and which only the geekiest Cosworth geeks are likely to get. I also grabbed a picture of it next to a silver 2.5-16 which Autoclass is set to bring out of another long hibernation - a one-in, one-out.

With that done I was driving my own Merc properly for the first time in five years. The first embarrassing revelation was that dog-leg gearboxes aren't like riding a bike, you do forget. The muscle memory of conventional H-patterns had long since overwritten the reversed layout that starts with left and back for first. It took several of MK's many roundabouts to relearn the knack of being in an intended gear rather than just a gear. Autoclass had recommended giving the new pistons a gentle start, and even at a cautious pace the engine felt obviously tight, although started to free up after a few miles.


But some choice Buckinghamshire A-roads were soon reminding me why I fell for the 2.5-16 in the first place. Behind the huge steering wheel there's proper feel, throttle response is searing and the rorty exhaust note is strongly reminiscent of that made by a twin-cam Escort, unsurprising given their shared Cosworth origins. But there's also a sense of lightness and finesse completely missing from hefty modern performance saloons. Ludicrously, the 2.5-16's 1300kg kerbweight was often criticized in period for being on the pudgy side of segment standards. These days it is within 50kg of a three-cylinder Fiesta ST, and has a similarly close power to weight ratio.

The 16 Valve is still impressively civilized. It's a turned-up homologation special, but it's also an 'eighties Merc, with the pliant ride that the brand's buyers expected in those days - even on the lowered Eibach springs and Bilstein dampers my car sits on. Cruising refinement is excellent; at 70mph I don't think many modern cars would be significantly quieter. The Kumho Ecsta tyres that were fitted last year were also a pleasant revelation. The set of four only cost £292 - an advantage of their modest 205/55R15 size - but they seem able to deliver both better grip and a toothier front end than the aged Dunlop SPs they replaced.

It wasn't all plain sailing, of course. The car's LCD stopwatch and digital temperature gauge have both turned mostly black over time as their elements have leaked and the heated rear window switch has fallen into the dashboard. The power operated aerial has checked out, too - limiting in-car entertainment to the Best of the Eighties tape that's been in the radio-cassette for the entire time I've owned the car. Can you think of a more appropriate soundtrack?


Car: 1990 Mercedes 190E 2.5-16
Run by: Mike Duff
Bought: May 2012
Mileage at purchase: 157,000
Mileage now: 161,050
Last month at a glance: After a five-year lay up the Merc is finally back on the road





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aston addict

Original Poster:

475 posts

188 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Lovely car, Mike!

Does yours have the houndstooth fabric on the inner seat, or leather? Always hankered after one of these. Friend has a 1.8 manual with epic mileage - just keeps on going, if it’s properly maintained.

Mr Tidy

31,684 posts

157 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Fantastic car Mike. thumbup

Back in the early 90s I drove a 2.3 Cosworth a mate of mine had and I thought it was great.

I never owned one sadly, but my manual 2 litre 190e was the best Mercedes I had.

Amirhussain

11,653 posts

193 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Love this photo. Just looks ‘right’ smokincool

Lotusgav

169 posts

189 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Can you explain the number plate for those of us who aren’t cosworth nerds?!

s m

24,492 posts

233 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Lotusgav said:
Can you explain the number plate for those of us who aren’t cosworth nerds?!
WAB was the Cosworth code for the 2.5-16 head

s m

24,492 posts

233 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Nice car Mike

A friend still has his ( bought when it was about 5k ) and have been lucky to drive it a few times

howardhughes

1,422 posts

234 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Beautiful car and colour. A few years ago I briefly I owned a 190E 2.6. Quite possibly the best built car I've driven. Solid and as plenty have said, over engineered. Sadly my budget never quite stretched to a Cosworth, but at least It always held a special place in my heart.

Happy motoring coolthumbup

Numeric

1,499 posts

181 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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What a lovely car - every time I see one I think 'one day' but I can't change a tyre...

As for the 190e I had a special edition 1.8LE automatic. It was glacially slow on paper but seemd to chug along, but my god it was well built. It had big miles when my father gave it to me, I stacked another load on in the high 100k area, it was given to my sisters brother in law and he ran it for ages, all with minimal maintenance requirement

The thing is it felt special to drive, the view down the bonnet with the star visible - don't laugh but for me a merc needs a Star you can see, it adds to the occasion for me - I have had some great cars over the years but somehow that one still sits up there with the best. It is easy to knock the 190 if you have never owned one as on papaer the specs always looked poor compared with oponents - but owning one could quickly change all your views.


howardhughes

1,422 posts

234 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Numeric said:
The thing is it felt special to drive, the view down the bonnet with the star visible
A very good friend of mine had a 260E back in 89' He used to say that the 'Star' was a target marker to blow up BMW's off the road biglaugh

Spiderrich

34 posts

117 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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This truly was the last great era of Mercedes Benz design.

Leins

10,485 posts

178 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Very nice Mike, and a great colour for these. Delighted to hear that the period tape deck is still in place too

das_funky_zeit

21 posts

84 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Great looking car.

Another one of those cars I looked at buying when they were still a performance bargain, but life got in the way.

Enjoy

Augustus Windsock

3,804 posts

185 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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My first near-miss with one of these was when I went to my Masonic Lodge with a workmate who was also a ‘brother’
We were chatting about cars (is very recently sold my 3dr Cosworth) and he told me about his 2.5-16 which was parked in the Lodge car park
We went outside to find...it had been stolen.
How many times I wish we had gone out earlier to look at it, as otherwise it was parked at work (police station) or in his very secure garage at home.
I’ve always wondered why the market has a hard-on for the E30 M3 yet these are relatively ignored, as prices show. They didn’t seem too shoddy when racing in the DTM, did they...?

tobinen

10,413 posts

175 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Very nice

s m

24,492 posts

233 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Augustus Windsock said:
I’ve always wondered why the market has a hard-on for the E30 M3 yet these are relatively ignored, as prices show. They didn’t seem too shoddy when racing in the DTM, did they...?
Give it a few extra horses and put some arches, big wheels and a wing on it then the market is all over it!

Makes an M3 look cheap then!!

TyrannosauRoss Lex

36,729 posts

242 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Nice looking car. I have often wondered what a "proper" one is like to drive, I've driven 2 190Es but only with the 2 litre 4 pot and found it distinctly underwhelming. I can't imagine the cruising refinement being better than the 2.0 (aside perhaps a quieter enigne) but in terms of wind noise....new cars are most definitely quiter than them!

evojam

795 posts

190 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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s m said:
Give it a few extra horses and put some arches, big wheels and a wing on it then the market is all over it!

Makes an M3 look cheap then!!
Haha,yes! the Evolution versions,serious bit of kit and priced accordingly!

s m

24,492 posts

233 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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evojam said:
s m said:
Give it a few extra horses and put some arches, big wheels and a wing on it then the market is all over it!

Makes an M3 look cheap then!!
Haha,yes! the Evolution versions,serious bit of kit and priced accordingly!
Quarter of a mill and upwards for a top notch

seawise

2,284 posts

236 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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I recently acquired a bog standard 32 year old 2 owners (first until last year) 190E with 25,000 miles only. Almost, but not quite, too good to use. Cool in a very unexceptional and ordinary way.


Jte3397

2,144 posts

126 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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I had a Smoke Silver i.e. gold one 15 years ago. Absolutely loved it but it seemed to rot everywhere. I liked the dog leg gearbox although it caught a few people out - I remember having a windscreen fitted to it and telling the fitter "careful, it's got a dog leg gearbox" for him to reply "there's no sort of gearbox I haven't driven" before promptly slotting it into reverse and nearly taking his colleague out. "Err, maybe you'd better move it".

It was refined but needed revving out to give any performance. Cemented a love of RWD for me.