RE: Volkswagen Touareg R50 TDI | The Brave Pill
RE: Volkswagen Touareg R50 TDI | The Brave Pill
Saturday 20th June 2020

Volkswagen Touareg R50 TDI | The Brave Pill

Inspired by the same logic that gave us the Bugatti Veyron, and almost as expensive to run...



Yes, it's a diesel-powered SUV, but it's also about as courageous a proposition as any car made this century. While some of our Pills are at the mild peril end of the risk spectrum - an episode of Scooby Doo, or a nice, creamy Korma - the Touareg V10 TDI is closer to watching The Shining in a storm-wracked abandoned hotel, or an extra-hot Phall with a side order of Californian Ripper chillies. When fully functional, the ten-cylindered Touareg remains an amazing car; the big challenge will always be keeping it in that state without incurring personal bankruptcy.

It's impossible to write about the V10 Touareg without considering the man who effectively willed it into existence - the late Ferdinand Piech. Having proved himself with both the Porsche 917 and Audi Quattro, Ferdinand Porsche's grandson became Volkswagen's CEO in 1993. Things weren't going well for the People's Car company at the time, with indifferent build quality and sliding sales. Piech used his scorched earth management style to improve things - once claiming "I sack anyone who makes the same mistake twice" - and was soon able to use growing revenues to start a dramatic expansion of the group with a rash of purchases, adding Skoda, Bentley and Lamborghini to the roster, and relaunching Bugatti.

Beyond his Conan-like love of crushing his enemies, seeing them driven before him and hearing the lamentation of their women, Piech's real passion was always the creation of 'pinnacle' cars. The most obvious of these was the Bugatti Veyron, with a 16-cylinder engine making 1,000hp. He was also determined to prove that Volkswagen could make luxury cars, firstly ordering the creation of a W12 supercar that didn't make production, then building a range-topping saloon around the same powerplant - the Phaeton. While the W12 would work in most markets, but Europe's burgeoning obsession with diesel led to development of an equally extreme 5.0-litre V10 TDI.


This engine was an absolute monster, making 308hp and 553lb ft of torque and ensuring the V10 Phaeton was the quickest and most powerful diesel-powered car in the world at launch. But even the browbeaten product planners who had assured Piech the Phaeton would enjoy a much warmer reception than it actually found had realised the V10 would never sell in sufficient volumes to justify its expensive development. So it was decided to also offer it in the Touareg SUV that Volkswagen was building on the same platform as the first-generation Porsche Cayenne and Audi Q7.

There was one teensy issue: the Touareg hadn't been designed to accommodate such a sizeable powerplant. Somehow the engineers pulled it off - Piech would doubtless have fired them if they hadn't - but the huge motor was squeezed into the available space in much the same way a sleeping bag is squashed back into its case. So equipped the V10 powered Touareg was slightly slower than its Phaeton sister, thanks to both the aerodynamic profile of a modestly streamlined outhouse, but it was still the Top Trump diesel SUV when launched, capable of 140mph flat-out.

Early reviewers of both the V10 Touareg and its (LHD-only) W12 petrol sister struggled to detect much logic behind their creation. The 5.0 TDI was both impressive and pointless, capable of gathering pace like an avalanche and (as Fifth Gear proved) towing a Boeing 747 in low range, but with no capacity for fun beyond longitudinal G-forces and unlikely speedometer readings. It sounded pretty good for an oiler, thrumming like a marine diesel under hard use and lacking the 'bottlebank in an earthquake' idle of VW's smaller direct injection TDIs. While the torquenami allowed the Touareg to cruise at three figure speeds without breaking sweat, it was never engaging to drive on twistier roads, with feel-free steering and softish air suspension.


What really complicated things was Volkswagen Group's Byzantine internal politics. Having been denied use of the V10 Audi created a more powerful and punchier version of the smaller 4.2-litre TDI, combining this with the Q7 from 2007. VW's engineers weren't prepared to surrender this hilltop without a fight, using the Touareg's mid-life facelift as an excuse to launch the turned-up Touareg R50. This got both a (slightly) sharpened chassis and a beefier engine tune, the V10 now delivering 345hp and 627lb-ft and briefly restoring bragging rights. Audi had the last word, gazumping the R50 in turn with the Q7 V12 TDI, which felt like a high point of ludicrousness even then.

The bigger problem for all versions of the Touareg V10 were high pricing and indifferent fuel economy and CO2 numbers. Limited sales undoubtedly played a part in the development of the car's toxic reputation - few technicians gained any expertise in its crop of unique problems. Because while regular versions of the early Touareg were hardly paragons of reliability, with a talent for hard-to-trace electrical malfunctions, the V10's complexity and quart-in-a-pint-pot packaging added another level of peril.

Beyond the most basic maintenance, many repairs required major surgery. Replacement of the turbos, or even hard-to-reach parts of the V10's cooling system, required the engine to be dropped from the car. Even swapping the alternator required it to be unbolted. On the DPF-equipped versions a particularly failure-prone sensor was located so that the entire transmission had to be removed to gain access to it - around 13 hours of labour. Space was so tight that one of the car's two batteries was located underneath the driver's seat, which needed to be taken out to gain access - something main dealers would charge hundreds in labour for. You get the idea.


The upshot is a club that is cheap to join but - unless you are very handy with the spanners - seriously expensive to stay a member of. Less loved examples of early V10s will sometimes turn up for as little as £5000, where they provide thrills for those adrenaline junkies who regard free climbing as a bit tame. Our Pill is the much more desirable R50, but its £10,000 asking price still looks dangerously attractive when compared to similarly rapid alternatives; it's also exactly half what the same dealer is asking for the Q7 V12 TDI, that got its own moment in the Pill spotlight last year.

Some will regard our Pill's 138,000 miles as an excess of leg, but it's hardly outrageous for a 12-year old car designed to make such effortless progress. The MOT history shows a steady accumulation of mileage and flags no significant concerns since a worn suspension arm bush as long ago as 2014, and the advert even promises some service history.

In short, there's no reason in the available evidence to doubt our Pill is a solid and honest example, but by its very nature the V10 carries the near-certainty of sizeable expenditure to keep it in fettle. Or, TLDR: torque is cheap, bork is expensive.


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Andy665

Original Poster:

3,974 posts

245 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Seriously attractive at that price but probably need a budget of 50% of the asking price as a fund for repairs

PSB1967

376 posts

173 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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0-62 in 4.7 seconds, bank balance to £0 even quicker smile

humphra

560 posts

109 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Not my type of car, but I do like the look in that colour!

anonymous-user

71 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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This seller/garage has had it's cars featured in many PH articles of late scratchchin

wiliferus

4,182 posts

215 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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humphra said:
Not my type of car, but I do like the look in that colour!
Indeed, strange car the Touareg. In some spec levels and colours it can look soul crushingly bland. In this flavour it looks fantastic. I’m even finding myself slightly drawn to the odd looking roof spoiler.

Around the corner there’s an SQ5 in this (or a very similar colour). It looks stunning, especially when the sun is out.

Numeric

1,490 posts

168 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Gosh these were the times.... not for the cars but the people

Piech was an extraordinary character - perhaps able to live life in a way that suited him only. I think what allowed him to be so single minded and seemingly not worry too much about other people was that he had some of the Porsche backing - while most had to worry about mortgages and careers he just worried about winning and hang the consequence. But yes I thoought ruthless and also often just wrong - the money that got spent on vanity projects was extraordinary but no one dared tell the emporer his new clothes were a litlle see through. His personal life was also interesting.

Yet I knew people who were devoted to him, really would not hear a word said against and we are talking people who worked on the same floor of the builing, and were much more scathing of Pischetsrieder, though I always felt he simply was given a hospital pass poor chap as there was I felt a huge amount wrong when he took over, including cars like this, while still having the 'boss' overseeing everything from the board.

Oddly over my morning coffe I've just realised - Reitzle would have been the better fit.






Baddie

729 posts

234 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Brave with a capital F.

Can see the appeal though... wonder whether it’s possible to commit to it, bin the issues, and then see what that engine can really do

scottygib553

718 posts

112 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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One of a few cars that really sums up the spirit of the column. Niche, affordable to buy and absurdly expensive to run.


BIRMA

4,063 posts

211 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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mstrbkr said:
This seller/garage has had it's cars featured in many PH articles of late scratchchin
Yes they had a blue Lexus GSF featured a while ago, a chap from the Lexus forum nearly bought it and has told a tale that made me think 'don't touch these people with a barge pole'.

Edited by BIRMA on Saturday 20th June 09:51

richinlondon

744 posts

139 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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This is interesting, narcissistic a55holes are a common theme throughout any industry senior management.

Numeric said:
Gosh these were the times.... not for the cars but the people

Piech was an extraordinary character - perhaps able to live life in a way that suited him only. I think what allowed him to be so single minded and seemingly not worry too much about other people was that he had some of the Porsche backing - while most had to worry about mortgages and careers he just worried about winning and hang the consequence. But yes I thoought ruthless and also often just wrong - the money that got spent on vanity projects was extraordinary but no one dared tell the emporer his new clothes were a litlle see through. His personal life was also interesting.

Yet I knew people who were devoted to him, really would not hear a word said against and we are talking people who worked on the same floor of the builing, and were much more scathing of Pischetsrieder, though I always felt he simply was given a hospital pass poor chap as there was I felt a huge amount wrong when he took over, including cars like this, while still having the 'boss' overseeing everything from the board.

Oddly over my morning coffe I've just realised - Reitzle would have been the better fit.

matlotus

124 posts

113 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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wiliferus said:
humphra said:
I’m even finding myself slightly drawn to the odd looking roof spoiler.
That’s the roof rack. It splits in half and the front section is moved forward to create the rack when needed.

Mouse Rat

1,979 posts

109 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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The MK1 Touareg is one of my favourite 4x4s ever. Looks fantastic and over engineered. Even through they shared the same platform as the Q7 and Porsche, the Touaregs had additional offroad gubbings to compete with the Range Rover. They also drive like RR rather than jacked up estates. Kept ours for 4 years and never had an issue. But this was due to preventative maintenance which anything like this needs.
As well as running the motor, propshafts, valve chest, air suspension need carefull attention.
Very intersting cars.

FlukePlay

1,118 posts

162 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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A decent looking example but there must be a real need for towing to buy this. Due diligence is required, more so on the seller than the actual car itself!

Hereward

4,680 posts

247 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Mouse Rat said:
The MK1 Touareg is one of my favourite 4x4s ever. Looks fantastic and over engineered. Even through they shared the same platform as the Q7 and Porsche, the Touaregs had additional offroad gubbings to compete with the Range Rover. They also drive like RR rather than jacked up estates. Kept ours for 4 years and never had an issue. But this was due to preventative maintenance which anything like this needs.
As well as running the motor, propshafts, valve chest, air suspension need carefull attention.
Very intersting cars.
I've had my 2003 MK1 V8 for 13 years and cannot bear to part with it.

247RPM

114 posts

153 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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I had a V10 Touareg for 18 months, it was a fantastic thing to have but in the end I couldn't but up with the consumption any more. Plus the coming of ULEZ etc meant it was time to move on.

I suppose I was lucky, it wasn't crazily expensive to run. I paid out just under a grand for 2 services and a propshaft repair (happens to all of the Touaregs, mine popped on a Sunday night in Southampton and I had to crawl back to London at 30mph.got there in the end but took 6hrs). Tax is pretty bad at £555 but it was weirdly cheap to insure.

Would happily have another!

998420

925 posts

168 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Brave? Brave, in the same way turning up for a BLM rally in full KKK regalia is brave...

Having owned a Toyota 80 series, 4.2 tdi, 6 cylinder Landcruiser, quite possibly the greatest car ever built, also probably the strongest and most reliable, this car is possibly the worst ever made.

The Toyota has more than enough power to fly fully laden across continents at 90, so easily that my ex wify insisted on driving it herself from Windsor to the tip of Denmark (ferry to Norway) in one 24h stint, yet costs 1/1000th of this monstrosity to run

You pays your money, you takes your choices..

Teh

Baddie

729 posts

234 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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998420 said:
Brave? Brave, in the same way turning up for a BLM rally in full KKK regalia is brave...

Having owned a Toyota 80 series, 4.2 tdi, 6 cylinder Landcruiser, quite possibly the greatest car ever built, also probably the strongest and most reliable, this car is possibly the worst ever made.

The Toyota has more than enough power to fly fully laden across continents at 90, so easily that my ex wify insisted on driving it herself from Windsor to the tip of Denmark (ferry to Norway) in one 24h stint, yet costs 1/1000th of this monstrosity to run

You pays your money, you takes your choices..

Teh
I’d agree with that. My 80 had no real chassis corrosion after 20 years, never failed to start within half a second of turning the key. Never tried towing a jumbo, but pulled a 7.5 ton lorry out of a snowy car park. Massively strong vehicle.

Toureg is a different set of tools for a different problem though. My brother had a 4.2 TDi for when he had to venture off the beaten track or drive across Oz and it was great for that, comfy, quiet, rapid. Started to give problems at 4 years old though and he now has a Kodiaq.

ZX10R NIN

29,444 posts

142 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Now this is a true brave pill but at that price I can see why someone would be tempted.

sledge68

833 posts

214 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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its a roof rack.

wiliferus said:
Indeed, strange car the Touareg. In some spec levels and colours it can look soul crushingly bland. In this flavour it looks fantastic. I’m even finding myself slightly drawn to the odd looking roof spoiler.

Around the corner there’s an SQ5 in this (or a very similar colour). It looks stunning, especially when the sun is out.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

173 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Looks great, but the world has moved on.

I'm glad that these cars exist though, always interesting to see and read about them.