RE: Mazda MX-5 (NC) BBR Super 225 | PH Review
RE: Mazda MX-5 (NC) BBR Super 225 | PH Review
Sunday 12th July 2020

Mazda MX-5 (NC) BBR Super 225 | PH Review

A no-brainer for any NC owner? Absolutely...



Mazda’s NC MX-5 is the podgiest of the model's four generations, and arguably the one most ripe for tuning. Bigger and more solid than the first two MX-5s, and considerably more attainable than the latest version for obvious reasons (healthy 2.0-litre examples can be had for less than £4k) it’s an increasingly popular MX-5 for those after either a bargain or a track day hack. That's exactly the clientele BBR GTi is trying to appeal to with its latest creation, the Super 225.

As the tuner's highest ranking NC kit that doesn’t resort to turbocharging, the 225 builds on the established Super 220 conversion, which adds a four-to-one manifold, camshafts and exhaust system to the MZR LF-VE 2.0-litre unit. The 225hp output is ultimately achieved with independent throttle bodies. It’s all been developed to work with the standard ECU and requires no modifications to the engine bay or chassis, so it’s fully reversible. BBR can have an NC turned from standard to Super 225 in a day for £4,295 – or a handy buyer can do it themselves for £3,495.

BBR’s development car, a 2014 25th Anniversary model with almost 60,000 miles on the clock, is also equipped with the firm’s in-house developed springs, Koni dampers and gold 17-inch Sparco alloys, accented by BBR decals. The changes add styling heft to the cuddly NC profile, and given that many buyers are expected to take their cars on track, it seems likely that plenty of Super 225s will leave the workshop with at least a few of those extras. But they needn’t, and BBR’s demo has a completely standard interior and retains its factory-fit folding hard top.


Much of the 225's appeal over turbocharged alternatives – aside from the price – is the way the NC’s low speed character remains mostly as standard. Mazda’s four-pot is docile and hushed at low revs, with only the bass of BBR’s exhaust signaling that anything has changed. Even the tweaked chassis, which is progressively sprung and starts at 15 per cent stiffer than standard, rides remarkably well over bumps and ridges. In normal operation, BBR’s 225 will feel wholly familiar to any NC owner. And that’s not by accident – BBR said it’s run the ITBs with longer intake lengths to give a broader spread of performance.

Of course, those familiar with ITBs will know that you’re only four open butterfly valves away from a completely different personality and a whole lot of noise, and the 225 duly delivers on that front. Pin the accelerator and the tone builds from a deep gargle to an intake roar that only tails off at a BBR-set 8,000rpm limiter. It sounds mega, and is backed by the raspy note of new stainless steel pipework. The motor’s not become explosive or peaky in the transition, though - it pulls strongly from 4,000rpm, with 170lb ft available through to 6,000rpm. Driveability is really very good.

That said, thanks to the NC’s fairly leggy standard ratios, you are rewarded if you work Mazda’s short-throw six-speed gearbox and keep that engine toward its top-end. The responsiveness of the motor, which retains Mazda’s fly-by-wire throttle in the 225, makes heel-and-toeing easy, with the heaviest inputs encouraging a few pops and crackles from the exhaust. These are of the genuine sort; less heavy-footed enthusiasm results in a much more sedate soundtrack. Against a backdrop of supremely punchy turbocharged engines, progress is more quick than rapid, but the motor’s enhanced enthusiasm for revs makes its all seem tremendously rewarding.


That's as it should be. BBR can tune the NC to 300hp if you wish - the 225 is all about usability and simplicity, not to mention the kind of toughness that endears it to regular track use. If that's your jam, swapping out Mazda’s somewhat roly poly chassis setup also makes sense. The improvement in handling unlocked by BBR’s suspension changes dovetail nicely with the improved delivery. Roll is significantly reduced, sharpening the NC’s already responsive front end and making it even easier to exploit its inherent balance. Factor in the ITB’d motor, and you’re handed a newfound ability to manipulate its line with the throttle. We’d back BBR’s recommendation of EBC Yellow stuff brake pads, as they beef up stopping power to match.

BBR’s actually not totally finished the development work on its Super 225 kit, with some additional ECU fine-tuning required to iron out a very slight and barely noticeable hesitation just above tickover. Once that’s done, the tuner says the car will have been subjected to around 100 hours of testing, providing a base setting that can then be copied and pasted into customer NCs, before any bespoke fettling occurs. BBR can supply just the ITBs (for £1,795) for those wanting to create their own setup, but as this demonstrator amply proves, the complete BBR package is as rounded and refined as it is exciting. A no-brainer? We think so.


SPECIFICATION | BBR MAZDA MX-5 COUPE ROADSTER SUPER 225
Engine:
1,999cc, inline four, independent throttle bodies
Transmission: six-speed, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 225@7,550rpm
Torque (lb ft): 174@5,950rpm
0-62mph: N/A (7.9secs as standard)
Top speed: N/A (135mph as standard)
Weight: 1,155kg (as standard)
CO2: N/A
MPG: N/A
Price: from c.£8,295 (made up of £4k car and conversion cost)





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_ppan

Original Poster:

649 posts

98 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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I wonder how quick this will be to 62mph (even though it's not the main reason to buy an MX5). My 5 gear 2.0 stock does it in 6.7 with a good launch. Measured with a Gtech Pro RR.

MrAverage

843 posts

156 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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I keep finding myself looking at stupid stuff that's expensive to buy, to maintain etc.

Then I look at this, it looks the dogs danglies (to these eyes) and I bet it's a laugh to drive and being an mx5 I imagine it's cheap to look after.


LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

225 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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For simple driver enjoyment this must be hard to beat at the price point.

I loved my NC but it was just too slow at any dry track day, this should solve that problem.

buccal

545 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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I have a super 200 package with the suspension/wheels and brakes also done.

Its a great drive and to be honest its become a bit of a chore to take the AMG out at the weekends, as the MX5 is so much fun.

For a few weeks I had the super 200 alongside my old standard 2.0 sport prior to selling it.

The mods absolutely transform the character of the car.

Very interested in going for the ITB's!

sideways man

1,669 posts

166 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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As an owner of a std NA,the lack of decent noise always annoyed me. Even a ‘sports’ exhaust is dull on these.
The ITB conversion solves that, with the added bonus of extra power/efficiency. Win all round.

fido

18,899 posts

284 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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_ppan said:
I wonder how quick this will be to 62mph (even though it's not the main reason to buy an MX5). My 5 gear 2.0 stock does it in 6.7 with a good launch. Measured with a Gtech Pro RR.
My BBR 185 GT was around 6.5s.. I assume this is around high 5s - it's going to be quicker than a FWD hatch of similar power (Golf GTi is low 6s) that is 200kg heavier. Haven't timed the Stage Two Turbo yet - it doesn't feel slower than a E92 M3. Another thing, I find the Sport exhaust package a bit too loud - with this atmospheric tune it's going to be a bit anti-social IMO.
These MX-5 articles are sapping my Sunday morning productivity. So much fun in a relatively cheap car.

Shappers24

1,008 posts

115 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Had a 2008 NC few years back which I enjoyed.

But can’t help thinking over £8K for an early one with this kit is a bit steep.

There’s a 25th Anni car for sale on eBay for £13K, so if you wanted to replicate the feature car you’re upto £17K before you add the wheels and chassis tuning... there’s got to be better places to put your cash than that...?

Kasperoff

41 posts

258 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Makes most sense when you can pick up the mule cheap. Like the one in the article.

buccal

545 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Buying one already done is a great option.

They do pop up with various packages fairly frequently.

BBR also sometimes have cars for sale

V8RX7

28,982 posts

292 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Or buy a supercharged Mk1 MX5 for the price of the conversion alone and have even more fun !

_ppan

Original Poster:

649 posts

98 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Shappers24 said:
Had a 2008 NC few years back which I enjoyed.

But can’t help thinking over £8K for an early one with this kit is a bit steep.

There’s a 25th Anni car for sale on eBay for £13K, so if you wanted to replicate the feature car you’re upto £17K before you add the wheels and chassis tuning... there’s got to be better places to put your cash than that...?
I do understand what you mean. But what else is there on the market with the same proposition, numbers, age, mileage, running costs and sensation/ fun?

Personally I wouldn't buy the kit as these engines are prone to failing bearings in the block because of oil starvation which on itself has causes found in flawed design of the engine. Of course many will be saying this is the user's fault but just look it up. Use Google for one minute. Or talk to engine rebuilders. Or Paul Rodisson who races MX5's. Or try to find MX5's worth engine damage. Or look at how much money a simple second hand engine like this costs. It must be said the problem seems to occur more with the first gen NC.

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Edited by _ppan on Sunday 12th July 11:42

lee_erm

1,091 posts

222 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Awesome. Shame these NC's seem to rust as badly as NA/NB's though! I'd recommend anyone with one spend a day adding dinitrol or similar to cavities and the underside.

_ppan

Original Poster:

649 posts

98 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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lee_erm said:
Awesome. Shame these NC's seem to rust as badly as NA/NB's though! I'd recommend anyone with one spend a day adding dinitrol or similar to cavities and the underside.
Generally the consensus with MX5 communities is they rust, though not as bad as NA and NB. One of the reasons after extensive research to choose an NC over previous generations as I can't weld and neither do I have room to learn and do it.

edwheels

256 posts

175 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Looks great - and a bargain if all can be done for £10K (assuming a good nc to begin with).

They're very good cars - I ran, what was seen as the worst NC - the 1.8, pre facelift, RC, with the high looking suspension... I succombed to just one mod - which was, of course, the suspension, so it ended up slightly lower and was very well set up alignment wise.

It was a lot of fun - even in such a 'slow' version. It was peanuts to maintain even with a Mazda dealership doing all the servicing. I really miss it and am sometimes tempted by the ND, but keep coming back to the NCs - they offer such value at the moment.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

225 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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_ppan said:
Shappers24 said:
Had a 2008 NC few years back which I enjoyed.

But can’t help thinking over £8K for an early one with this kit is a bit steep.

There’s a 25th Anni car for sale on eBay for £13K, so if you wanted to replicate the feature car you’re upto £17K before you add the wheels and chassis tuning... there’s got to be better places to put your cash than that...?
I do understand what you mean. But what else is there on the market with the same proposition, numbers, age, mileage, running costs and sensation/ fun?

Personally I wouldn't buy the kit as these engines are prone to failing bearings in the block because of oil starvation which on itself has causes found in flawed design of the engine. Of course many will be saying this is the user's fault but just look it up. Use Google for one minute. Or talk to engine rebuilders. Or Paul Rodisson who races MX5's. Or try to find MX5's worth engine damage. Or look at how much money a simple second hand engine like this costs. It must be said the problem seems to occur more with the first gen NC.

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Edited by _ppan on Sunday 12th July 11:42
Speaking from simply my own point of view, I'd say a Caterham. Yes the NC would be much more usable every day but it would realistically be a weekend car for me and once the prices of the two converge I think I'd rather the experience of the 7 over the Mazda.

Ecosseven

2,365 posts

246 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Really nice car and the noise will be lovely - I've always preferred induction noise to exhausts noise, particularly on a 4 cylinder.

I own a 2010 NC 2.0 which I've had for 7.5 years and it's been a fantastic car to own and enjoy. I may be tempted by the IRB's without the rest of the package and would be interested in the project power gain for this mod only. The gearing on the car is already slightly too long in my opinion and with the higher rev limit you could up doing almost 70mph in 2nd gear!

One question. Are the prices quoted exl. VAT?


LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

225 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Ecosseven said:
almost 70mph in 2nd gear!

One question. Are the prices quoted exl. VAT?

It's BBR, do you really need to ask?!

FourRingedDonuts

134 posts

153 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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My stage 2 turbo from a few years ago. 300BHP did make it an absolute weapon but I've always said if I ever get another NC it will be getting this kit instead of the turbo.

_ppan

Original Poster:

649 posts

98 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Speaking from simply my own point of view, I'd say a Caterham. Yes the NC would be much more usable every day but it would realistically be a weekend car for me and once the prices of the two converge I think I'd rather the experience of the 7 over the Mazda.
If budget budget wasn't an issue I'd have an S2 Elise or Exige. But would you drive a Caterham 300km to the Nordschleife, stay there for a week and drive 300km back home? smile That's the thing with an MX5, if you find a car that does better in one area it will do worse in another.

anonymous-user

83 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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I love the idea of these, and I really love the idea of something similar for my ND when it comes out of warranty, but...

Article said:
Once that’s done, the tuner says the car will have been subjected to around 100 hours of testing
Says it all. 100 hours of testing is one bloke testing it during the working day for a little over a fortnight, 100 hours to test the engine calibration on a car is like an afternoon in the pub designing your suspension bridge.

The OEM setup and calibration will have been the result of tens of thousands of man hours of testing and development in widely varying environments and driving conditions, with much of it done by people who know what they're doing a great deal better than anyone in BBR; no insult intended to the guys at BBR here but they don't have access to anything like the modelling tools, component specifications, depth and breadth of staff knowledge and experience, or test and development facilities of even a tiddly OEM like Mazda.

I've never driven anything modified that comes within a million miles of the vice free behaviour and total absence of headaches of an OEM setup, so if the car is more than a weekend toy you're taking a real gamble. A good example would be the recent experiences of a supercharger kit that EngineeringExplained have documented on their youtube channel - a software glitch that prevented the throttle plate from opening more than 30% odd under certain circumstances.