RE: McLaren P1 | Spotted

RE: McLaren P1 | Spotted

Wednesday 5th August 2020

McLaren P1 | Spotted

The GMA T.50 is here to pick up where the F1 left off. So where does that leave the P1?



Very obviously Gordon Murray has set out to spiritually succeed the F1 with the T.50 hypercar, and it looks like his company has done a mighty fine job of it. But the V12-powered hypercar is not the first to try and pick up where the F1 left off. McLaren has already had a shot at the title with the P1, launched to great fanfare in 2013. Like its forebear, it was most intent on setting new benchmarks for performance – and it did so in the face of two similarly bold rivals.

P1 versus LaFerrari versus Porsche 918, three hybrid hypercars that went about their business in very different ways but ultimately came to achieve the same thing. Technological overload. All mated stonking engines with electrification, producing around 900hp and achieving sub-three-second 0-62mph times in that era just before such things became the norm. Leaps were taken forward. Everyone had a favourite one, sure, but each model demanded respect for the advancement it represented.


It's six years since that holy trinity went head-to-head, and opinions have solidified. The 918 is often regarded as the most rounded package, despite it being the least potent of the pile. While the LaFerrari is often said to be the one to stir the soul thanks to its V12 engine. The P1, on the other hand, is often considered the maddest of the lot, with the hardest-hitting boost from its hybrid powerplant and most prevalent expulsion of blue-hot flames from its letterbox exhaust. It's technically awe inspiring, affirming that McLaren Automotive wasn’t just mixing it with the big boys, but intent on holing them beneath the waterline.

Pretty bold when you consider that when the P1 arrived, McLaren’s road car division was only three years old. Mind you, it had plenty of technical prowess to build on. Engineers took the MonoCell carbonfibre tub, first used by the 12C, and evolved it to create the stronger MonoCage, adding the full upper roof structure and a snorkel intake. It force fed the Ricardo-built twin-turbo 3.8-litre mounted behind, delivering 916hp when combined with an E motor, which itself was driven by a 4.7 kWh lithium-ion battery to enable a 6.8-mile EV range. Power was sent to the rear wheels, like the LaFerrari and in contrast to the all-wheel drive 918, and 0-124mph came in 6.8 seconds. The P1 was the most ballistic of the trio.

The P1 got McLaren’s most aggressive road chassis setup, too, with a track-only Race mode that made it squat and the enormous active rear wing stand fully elevated. The car got a 50/50 split of active and passive aero to back the raft of innovation that was crammed into its engine bay. Some thought the P1 to be the all-round fastest of the holy trinity and it’s hard to disagree, given just how extreme the overall setup was – and still is by modern standards. Imagine what McLaren could do with its latest 4.0-litre V8 and 2020 electrification tech.


Such is the rate of progress, though, the P1 is already looking like a product of a bygone era. Now, electrification's part and parcel of an industry finding it ever harder to duck under emissions limits; not even Gordon Murray’s manual, naturally-aspirated T.50 could completely eschew the advantages of (admittedly very mild) electrification. In the P1 of course the hybrid system ranks as a significant component, not just there for efficiency, but to inject noticeable surges of torque. It’s probable that even in a future of all-wheel drive electric hypercars, a P1 will never feel anything less than fantastically fast thanks to that powertrain.

At just fifteen grand over a million quid, then, today’s Spotted is the cheapest route to accessing that timeless brand of performance. It’s also arguably the best looking P1 advertised, with Volcano Red paintwork accompanied by brilliant silver rims and an all-black interior. The design remains one of the most menacing creations, and with 7,000 miles on the clock, this one’s seen some proper action - not that the photos suggest the car's exterior and interior have been anything other than totally cherished. Wherever it ends up next, here's hoping it will kept in regular use as testimony to its own chapter in history. The P1 has earned that much - no matter how good Gordon Murray's second album turns out to be.


SPECIFICATION | MCLAREN P1

Engine: 3,799cc twin-turbo V8 with integrated electric motor
Transmission: Seven-speed dual-clutch automatic
Power (hp): 916 (Engine 737@7,300rpm plus 179 from electric motor)
Torque (lb ft): 664 (Engine 531@4,000rpm plus 192 from electric motor)
CO2: 194g/km
Year registered: 2012
Recorded mileage: 7,000
Price new: £866,000
Yours for: £1,015,000

See the original advert here


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sdiggle

Original Poster:

196 posts

103 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Interior. Just use a spell check.

ecs0set

2,485 posts

297 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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1st thought: P1s are ONLY 1 million quid? That sounds good value compared to the latest hypercars, must be an investment opportunity. Looks great in red.
<checks payslip>
2nd thought: Still f'ing expensive. How about a lightly used Hyundai Atoz?

shalmaneser

6,142 posts

208 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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That is a lovely colour combo. Would much rather have a T.50 though. Although it is over twice the price....

ch37

10,642 posts

234 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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I guess it's a sign of the times that an 8 year old car that has done 7000 miles has seen 'some proper action'.

will_

6,033 posts

216 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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It's an odd way to price the car - either make it a decent chunk over £1m, or make it just under - but £15k over £1m makes no sense!

Matt Bird

1,498 posts

218 months

PH Reportery Lad

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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sdiggle said:
Interior. Just use a spell check.
Good spot! Apologies for the error. It's sorted now.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

267 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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ch37 said:
I guess it's a sign of the times that an 8 year old car that has done 7000 miles has seen 'some proper action'.
For an investment supercar its pretty decent milage.

Now what are the monthlies?

waynecyclist

11,601 posts

127 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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So much better looking than the T50

Looks great in a deep red, awesome car

This or a 918 would have a place in my dream garage.

Edited by waynecyclist on Wednesday 5th August 09:07

neilferg

30 posts

80 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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"Recently serviced within the last 100 miles at a McLaren dealer – including replacement Rear Brake Pads, Air Conditioning Service, replaced both Front Shock Absorbers, Front Crank Seal, Suspension Accumulator and new Tyres fitted all round."

Surprised by the amount of work required at the last service given it's only covered 7k miles!

sdiggle

Original Poster:

196 posts

103 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Matt Bird said:
Good spot! Apologies for the error. It's sorted now.
Cheers Matt

waynecyclist

11,601 posts

127 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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neilferg said:
"Recently serviced within the last 100 miles at a McLaren dealer – including replacement Rear Brake Pads, Air Conditioning Service, replaced both Front Shock Absorbers, Front Crank Seal, Suspension Accumulator and new Tyres fitted all round."

Surprised by the amount of work required at the last service given it's only covered 7k miles!
I did spot that, guess it has been sat around for a while so in some respects it was more like a re-commission service

sdiggle

Original Poster:

196 posts

103 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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will_ said:
It's an odd way to price the car - either make it a decent chunk over £1m, or make it just under - but £15k over £1m makes no sense!
Is £15k the haggle when buying Million pound cars? Never bought one, but suggests the vendor wants £1m and nothing below that....

howardhughes

1,208 posts

217 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Absolutely stunning. What a gorgeous looking car. Take note Ferrari, Lamborghini.

Drinksleeprepeat

161 posts

60 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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waynecyclist said:
I did spot that, guess it has been sat around for a while so in some respects it was more like a re-commission service
Guess it shows what a high maintenance car these are. Although if you can afford one then a £50,000 service is nothing.

Also surprised that it’s value is not more considering it’s place in automotive history. Maybe because it’s mileage puts it in no man land. More miles than a garage queen but not enough to make it a “daily” driver.

Sway

31,108 posts

207 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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"Like it's forebear, it was most focussed on setting new benchmarks for performance".

That sentence, so early in the article, explains so readily both that the author knows very little about the F1 (and indeed T.50) as well as why the P 1 is becoming a little unloved.

The last thing GM/Mclaren cared about with F1 was "performance benchmarks". 0-60, 0-100, lap times of Spa or the Nurburgring - all will be superceded in relatively short order as tech advances.

Having a small, light platform with incredible controls responses, levels of useability/practicality/comfort and a complete disregard for wider fashion and assumed market wisdom are all traits that are timeless.

It's why I covet a F1 above anything else, closely followed by T.50 with Rocket really not far behind.

It's why Veyron/"Holy Trinity" /Valkyrie/Project 1 are interesting, but ultimately unappealing.

TheOrangePeril

789 posts

193 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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sdiggle said:
will_ said:
It's an odd way to price the car - either make it a decent chunk over £1m, or make it just under - but £15k over £1m makes no sense!
Is £15k the haggle when buying Million pound cars? Never bought one, but suggests the vendor wants £1m and nothing below that....
Who on Earth would want to be seen paying less than a million quid for a car?

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

169 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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It's such a pretty car.

Pity it has a dull sounding engine. The only slight down point on such a thing.

TheOctaneAddict

968 posts

60 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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GroundEffect said:
It's such a pretty car.

Pity it has a dull sounding engine. The only slight down point on such a thing.
I'll admit it inst as tuneful as the F1. But the noise those turbos make from the inside is immense cloud9

Guvernator

13,690 posts

178 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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While saying a 900bhp hypercar is boring would be a bit churlish, it obviously isn't, I just can't get too excited about this or it's 2 other contemporaries. Yes hybrid\electric is the future but I find the the T.50 an infinitely more exciting prospect. Yes it's probably a a bit of a throwback but what a way to celebrate the culmination of the ICE engine. I suspect the T.50 will be timeless whereas the P1 will be outdated as soon as the next hyper hybrid thingie comes along.

jason61c

5,978 posts

187 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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The P1 is just another 'mac special'