Understanding Insurance Groups
Understanding Insurance Groups
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VanDiesel99

Original Poster:

176 posts

98 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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more than a bit surprised having done daughter's Insurance renewal with her to find that her 'new' car is a considerable 'jump' in terms of Insurance Groups, therefore premium.

Her 2005 Citroen C3 1.1 Petrol, Group 3/4 was replaced about six months ago with...

...a 2004 Ford Focus C-Max 1.6 TDCi, Group 14

Such an enormous difference in Grouping makes no sense to me....

anyone here able to make sense of it?

I used this website to check groupings
https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-insurance/insurance-...


E-bmw

13,524 posts

182 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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Little 1.1 petrol engine with no power versus 1.6 turbo diesel with great gobs of torque to catch out the unwary coupled to a bigger & more desirable car...... Makes at least a degree of sense surely? wink

Fiisch

278 posts

158 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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Thatcham group cars according to a range of factors - performance, cost of repairs, standard security features, how they perform in accident crash tests etc.

Then insurers also have their own stats on vehicles. How often do drivers of a particular car make a claim? How often are they stolen? How many cars of similar nature do they already insure?

So on top of Thatcham category, insurers will apply their own pricing algorithms.

That said, a Focus 1.6TDCi is a more expensive car and more powerful than a C3, so I'd expect the premium to be higher.

Justin Case

2,195 posts

164 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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My wife recently replaced her Toyota Auris 1.3 (Group 10) with a Kia Rio (Group 8) but the premium went up. Even the brokers couldn't explain it. There seems to be no logic in calculating premiums.

VanDiesel99

Original Poster:

176 posts

98 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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Thanks Guys, yeah, does make some sense, specially if its the 108BHP variant of the two 1.6 TDCi's that Parkers list for this Model & Year, which it probably is, coz it goes like the clappers and I know its a 16v.

...and more importantly, its a good car and she's happy with it

...even though its the DV6TED with the bad reputation

...we'd wanted a Pug 206 SW, but had previously turned a bad 'un down earlier that day along with a second Pug and this was our 'third choice' for that day's hunting.

...but I gave it an especially thorough going over and at time of purchase, then made a really cheeky offer to the vendor, which he accepted (£500). Not being too familiar with the Blue Oval, I'd rather hoped to 'sidestep' the 1.6 issue, thinking this'd probably be a Ford engine (its not), but its been fine.

..and lets face it, at this end of the market, you can't go too far wrong!

Thanks again.

littlebasher

3,967 posts

201 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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Yesterday, my daughter swapped her insurance from a 2016 1.5tdci Focus Zetec (group 15) to a 2017 2.0tdci Focus Titanium X (group 20)

£25 refund wobble

foggy

1,215 posts

312 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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https://www.thatcham.org/what-we-do/insurance-grou...
Insurers consider various data for developing their pricing including group rating info and previous claims experience, ally it to their market niches (newer, mid or older cars - do they have a repair network to fix valuable cars or write off and pay out for cheaper ones, younger or older drivers, certain brands etc.) and current business priorities (more or less risk appetite, focused or diverse book etc.) and offer a price from there as to how keen they are for your business.