RE: Audi RS4 Avant (B7) | The Brave Pill
RE: Audi RS4 Avant (B7) | The Brave Pill
Saturday 5th December 2020

Audi RS4 Avant (B7) | The Brave Pill

They can't get much cheaper than this, surely?



There don’t seem to have been any PhD thesis submitted on the disconnect between the critical reaction won by hot Audis and their subsequent sales volumes, but this is definitely a phenomenon deserving high-brow attention. Few of the genre receive glowing reviews when new, but most go onto enjoy impressive sales – frequently outscoring the more vaunted alternatives that beat them in comparison tests.

Yet, sometimes, the stars align and – to the sound of a heavenly choir – road tests have come back as positive as subsequent production numbers. Never more so than with the B7 generation RS4 that made its debut in 2006. This was the car that Audi could combine the effortless pace of earlier RS models with a driving experience that wasn’t constantly looking over your shoulder, or flirting with the waiter.

Yet despite the hype that made it one of the hottest tickets when it was new, B7 RS4 values have yet to rally. The glide path has grown shallower in recent years but, as our Pill proves, there are still proper bargains out there. Indeed we’ve entered the strange situation of the earlier B5-generation RS4 – which was much less involving to drive and used a turbocharged V6 rather than the B7’s zingy V8 – now being worth the same or more. Considering its characterful powerplant and higher level of creature comforts, our Pill’s £12,000 asking price is getting close to making it look like an absolute steal.


The B7 RS4 was a product of the era that we will probably look back on as the pinnacle of the German car industry. Ebullient confidence and booming sales was leading to the development of ever more outlandish powerplants for performance derivatives. Further up the tree both Audi and BMW had created V10 engines. But even in this bit of the market, still called the compact executive segment in those days, the trend for upsizing was being followed with similar zeal. In the case of the RS4 that meant a 4.2-litre naturally aspirated V8 that made a peak of 414hp and revved to 8250rpm. Okay, so even the lesser S4 was packing a V8 in those days, but that one only made 340hp.

Previous extra-hot Audis had been engineered to deliver performance without drama, but the big change pioneered by the B7 RS4 was a willingness to play. Its steering delivered actual feedback, its front-to-rear grip balance could be played with beyond simply adding or subtracting understeer and even the brakes had gained sensitivity and modulation compared to Audi’s over-servoed norm. The RS4 was hugely fast when it came to crossing country, in the dry it was at least as quick as the V8 powered E90/E92 BMW M3 and W204 Mercedes C63 AMG that were launched soon after it. But in slippery conditions the Audi was massively, embarrassingly faster than the rear driven alternatives.

I was sent to an infamous three-sided corner of Snowdonia in 2007 for a magazine feature that included both an RS4 saloon and the freshly-launched E90 M3 four-door. Conditions were sodden and driving the Audi at what felt like an entirely rational pace I was surprised at how hard the BMW was finding it to keep up. Then we swapped cars and I realised why, the M3 slithering and sliding as it battled to deliver its urge to the sodden tarmac, the Audi sailing off effortlessly into the distance. Okay, so the senior versions of the Lancer Evo and Impreza STI from the era were in the same league of rapid when the weather turned bad. But neither of them could boast a V8 soundtrack to match the RS4’s.


The B7 also marked the point where Audi tried to broaden the RS4’s appeal with new bodystyles. Having previously concentrated on the niche of ultra-fast estates, the B7 included both saloon and cabrio versions. These were equally fast and dynamically secure, but always seemed to be missing some of the point of the stylish Avant’s combination of practicality and performance. Estate and four-door sold pretty evenly in the UK, with around 1,500 of each finding homes before sales stopped in 2008. But these days the Avant is definitely the more desirable, even if its family-hauling capability is limited by a small boot and cramped rear legroom.

Despite being the cheapest RS4 of any variety currently offered in the classifieds, our Pill ticks a lot of the right boxes. It’s a 2006 Avant in black, with the exterior looking to be in tidy nick (if damp) in the photos. Like all B7s it has a manual gearbox – this being the time when performance car buyers were manly enough to swap their own ratios – and also has several desirable options including the BOSE audio system and RS4 branded ‘wing back’ leather sports seats. The cabin is showing more wear, especially on the MMI’s volume controller, but the selling dealer reports a single owner from new – an ennobled one, no less – and also boasts that the car comes with a full service history.

On the other side of the ledger, our Pill is wearing a sizeable 152,000 mile odometer reading and has an MOT history some way short of pristine. After several years’ worth of warnings over worn tyres, shocks and suspension arms it failed in July with a broken coil spring and – more worrying – “oil leaking excessively from engine.” That was cured three days later, but both tests threw up the perplexing advisory “EXHAUST FLEXIES BEEN CAUTE.” Answers on a postcard, please.


Any RS4 will be costly to keep in fettle, with the years having revealed several substantial gaps in the B7’s reliability armour. The best documented of these is the tendency of the engine to suffer from performance-sapping carbon build-up, especially if not let off the leash often enough. If this gets really bad the top end will need to be stripped down and decoked. Auxiliary oil coolers are prone to failure, and the hydraulically linked DRC dampers are another common point of borkage – an advisory on the most recent MOT suggesting at least one of these is close to the end of its life. Tailgate seals are also prone to failure, causing leaks and damp carpets.

But even with a bit of short-term spending factored in this RS4 still looks like compelling value compared to both peers and rivals. Especially as the weather turns increasingly nasty and the roads get more slippery. It might have previously belonged to an earl, but you don’t need to be a member of the aristocracy to be worthy of this country estate.


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Gareth9702

Original Poster:

385 posts

147 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Good car for a purpose, but fair to say its only moderately brave? It is an Audi after all, with a good aftermarket parts supply and secondhand options.

rossub

5,172 posts

205 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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I wouldn’t be spending £12k on a 14 year old Audi with 152k, but each to their own!

scottygib553

711 posts

110 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Gareth9702 said:
Good car for a purpose, but fair to say its only moderately brave? It is an Audi after all, with a good aftermarket parts supply and secondhand options.
Moderately brave but if someone is entering RS4 world at this price point likely there is a financial constraint so therein lies the bravery. The age/mileage on its own would turn many people off on a car like this.

At least it is different this week

jase_llan

150 posts

72 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Isn't this the engine that suffers terribly from carbon build-up? Whilst it is a known quantity, that ups the bravery slightly I suppose.

TimTum

7 posts

115 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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jase_llan said:
Isn't this the engine that suffers terribly from carbon build-up? Whilst it is a known quantity, that ups the bravery slightly I suppose.
Yes, the same carbon build up mentioned in the article

JD2329

500 posts

183 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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I like this generation of RS4 a lot, in fact more than any others that succeeded it.
Did this engine - in common with the regular 4.2 V8 in the S4 - also have the timing chain next to the bulkhead - meaning any work on chain or guides are an engine out job?

cerb4.5lee

37,554 posts

195 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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I've always really liked these. Very nice. cool

I'd really like one.

AC43

12,735 posts

223 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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cerb4.5lee said:
I've always really liked these. Very nice. cool

I'd really like one.
A mate of mine wanted something to replace his 996 when his first kid was due and got into one of these. He took me out in it in Derby IIRC. We were late for a business meeting and a bit lost so he was giving it a right spanking on wet roads. Its lateral grip under hard acceleration on a sweeper was awesome. Great soundtrack, lovely looking thing, great interior too. Really liked it.

Wickedbad

105 posts

72 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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JD2329 said:
I like this generation of RS4 a lot, in fact more than any others that succeeded it.
Did this engine - in common with the regular 4.2 V8 in the S4 - also have the timing chain next to the bulkhead - meaning any work on chain or guides are an engine out job?
Similar architecture but apparently much better guides and components fitted for life (I don’t know what that means in reality, but a lot of these are now reaching the kinds of mileages where we’ll start finding out...)

They’re not noisy like the S4, though they whine like a supercharger, I think they use straight cut gears to run some ancillaries instead of a belt.

Wickedbad

105 posts

72 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Gareth9702 said:
Good car for a purpose, but fair to say its only moderately brave? It is an Audi after all, with a good aftermarket parts supply and secondhand options.
Whilst they’re generally solid I think it’s the cost of those parts that makes it a brave choice for most people (me included!)

Niffty951

2,370 posts

243 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Oof, bit brave for me. Fast Audi cars have consistently been the most expensive cars to run even when in seemingly very tidy condition. Something about the combination of performance and weight + many parts working closer to their limits mean they have always broken monthly for me and cost four figure bills every time they break. Speaking of which the price for brakes is ridiculous! I buy Brembo disks for my 911 because I find the Pagid ones warp on track, they are the most expensive disks you can buy for the car but last well and stand up to heavy driving. A set of front disks & pads cost £250 (with standard pads).

The RS4, which can cook it's brakes in one spirited road drive and definitely requires them changing much more often cost more to replace each time! It's a good hint of ownership costs to come.

Save yourself some money, buy a Porsche

Edited by Niffty951 on Saturday 5th December 08:55

Wickedbad

105 posts

72 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Niffty951 said:
Oof, bit brave for me. Fast Audi cars have consistently been the most expensive cars to run even when in seemingly very tidy condition. Something about the combination of performance and weight + many parts working closer to their limits mean they have always broken monthly for me and cost four figure bills every time they break. Speaking of which the price for brakes is ridiculous! I buy Brembo disks for my 911 because I find the Pagid ones warp on track, they are the most expensive disks you can buy for the car but last well and stand up to heavy driving. A set of front disks & pads cost £250 (with standard pads).

The RS4, which can cook it's brakes in one spirited road drive and definitely requires then changing much more often cost more to replace each time! It's a good hint of ownership costs to come.

Save yourself some money, buy a Porsche
Yup, I’ve just done my discs and pads, plus I sent the calipers away to be rebuilt and painted.
Did everything myself, still cost well over two grand.

Conversely I bought it instead of a 996.

Augustus Windsock

3,621 posts

170 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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‘ That was cured three days later, but both tests threw up the perplexing advisory “EXHAUST FLEXIES BEEN CAUTE.” Answers on a postcard, please.’

Exhaust flexies been cut’?

_ppan

615 posts

84 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Gareth9702 said:
Good car for a purpose, but fair to say its only moderately brave? It is an Audi after all, with a good aftermarket parts supply and secondhand options.
RS4 engines are far from bulletproof. Now look up the costs for getting a nice second hand engine or for reconditioning the engine and you'll understand why it's brave and why these cars are, relatively speaking, cheap.

That's before looking at costs for other wear parts as others above me have pointed out.

TdM-GTV

324 posts

232 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Caute means 'careful' in Latin so maybe it's a positive message. The flexies have been careful.

Apparently Earls go to well schooled MOT testers.

benzinbob

750 posts

71 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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jase_llan said:
Isn't this the engine that suffers terribly from carbon build-up? Whilst it is a known quantity, that ups the bravery slightly I suppose.
A lot of engines using direct injection have this problem, it’s the main disadvantage of direct injection, which is why some cars these days use both port and direct injection

Milkbuttons

1,364 posts

177 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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I saw the RS4 debut at the Le mans 24hrs back in 2006, Audi had four red saloon vehicles driving round the kart track at break neck speeds, ever since then I've always liked them.

Edited by Milkbuttons on Saturday 5th December 09:26

Augustus Windsock

3,621 posts

170 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Not one to prick anyone’s balloon, but aren’t these the same Recaro seats that resulted in many cars being written off?
As in, scrotes were breaking into RS4s and stealing the seats
The seats which come unassembled from Recaro and cost, anecdotally, £19-20k to replace?
And it just goes to show that a famous, or a titled first owner doesn’t always mean that a car has been ‘maintained regardless of cost’ does it, as this one with its past not history shows: I would have expected preventative maintenance to have made sure there were no mot nasties along the way.

Niffty951

2,370 posts

243 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Wickedbad said:
Yup, I’ve just done my discs and pads, plus I sent the calipers away to be rebuilt and painted.
Did everything myself, still cost well over two grand.

Conversely I bought it instead of a 996.
I mean there is no bad choice here. I loved my B5 RS4 possibly more than my 996 turbo, but strangely perhaps not as much as my 996 C2.

My beef (with the world) is that read anything online and Audi would be the sensible choice in terms of ownership costs vs a 996 but in my personal experience I've found myself a lot poorer keeping even my 2010 S3 on the road.

I think 996 horror stories generally revolve around abused cars. Changing the oil once every 4-5 years because you're not doing the miles, ignoring a misfire when a coil pack cracks and you're asking for eye watering bills but treat it kindly with the servicing and you couldn't break one if you tried!

Niffty951

2,370 posts

243 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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Milkbuttons said:
I saw the RS4 debut at the Le mans 24hrs back in 2006, Audi had four red saloon vehicles driving round the kart track at break neck speeds, ever since then I've always liked them.

Edited by Milkbuttons on Saturday 5th December 09:26
I remember that. Stood and watched a while toosmile