Porsche 991 parts scam
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Mac McGovern

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3 posts

173 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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Hi there
I just wanted to highlight a scam I was recently subjected to on eBay (twice actually). I sold a touch screen satellite navigation head unit removed from a Porsche 991 Turbo S Generation II model to a 'buyer' in Birmingham who then contacted me a couple of days later to tell me I had sent him a climate control unit. I told him I knew what I had sent him, the climate control unit had gone to New York months earlier. He requested a return which was fine but then I got that sinking feeling that this was going to go wrong. When my part arrived back, it had morphed into an Audi broken piece of plastic. His messages were all of him being a victim, I couldn't believe the front of him. So now he has his money back, my part and to top it all off he left me bad feedback!!
The second scam happened days later when an airbag from the same vehicle with pretty much the same scenario but this time the 'buyer' lived 5.8 miles away from buyer number one. He complained that it was not compatible to his vehicle, requested a return and I received an Audi rear view mirror for my troubles. This time he left me positive feedback. I am now £900 out of pocket with a deep dislike of thieves. I investigated his feedback history to find he had scammed a German seller out of nearly £2000 for a complete carbon steering wheel recently.
Ebay are not interested, Paypal are not interested and I doubt Action Fraud line will be interested or be able to do anything about it. Before this little adventure, the 'buyer' had good feedback so I was not suspicious of him. He has taken nearly £3000 in a matter of weeks off the one's I know about but there may be others. I have his contact details but I doubt anything legal can be done.
I am just venting really but I just wanted to highlight this as I believe cases like this are now on the rise. Thanks

chrisch77

890 posts

104 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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If you have the delivery address then I suggest a visit?

rxe

6,700 posts

132 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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It’s why I never sell anything on eBay unless it is cash on collection.

Escy

4,129 posts

178 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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I'd not heard of this one before but seems quite an obvious and easy one to get away with. He fulfils all the ebay/paypal (tracking numbers, history of messages) criteria and they always side with the buyer. I sell quite a bit on ebay but it hasn't happened to me before.

There's not really a way you can protect yourself agaisnt it is there?

I wonder if any local members can scope out the address for you? If there is a 991 on the drive of either place I'd be tempted to go get my stuff back.

996TT02

3,342 posts

169 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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Unfortunately it's not a "991 parts scam" but very simply a scam. Yes they get away with it. I would never leave feedback for a buyer before all is 101% and any return period is over. Other than that Ebay won't help at all so you either write off the loss or deal with as you see fit.

daytona111r

897 posts

233 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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I don't use Ebay, but the only think I can think of going forward is next time take a photo of what you are sending with the address it's being sent to

Glenn63

3,919 posts

113 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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As above If have address then go and see? If don’t want to do that (understandable) will the police not be interest as it could be a place full of ‘stolen’ parts? Tbh if I ever see ‘Birmingham’ in an add for anything I keep scrolling by.

SpeckledJim

34,063 posts

282 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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daytona111r said:
I don't use Ebay, but the only think I can think of going forward is next time take a photo of what you are sending with the address it's being sent to
Sadly that proves nothing.

If PayPal would volunteer to do anything about it then they’d be robbed blind.

No win situation.

Don’t sell anything by PayPal that you couldn’t peacefully just put in the bin instead.

Algarve

2,102 posts

110 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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If you're confident you have enough proof you could use the money claim online process.

Its one thing to lie on a web form to an anonymous account rep at Paypal... its another altogether to do it in front a judge in a court room when the other side has a handful of evidence.

cts1975

379 posts

197 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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Mac McGovern said:
Hi there
I just wanted to highlight a scam I was recently subjected to on eBay (twice actually). I sold a touch screen satellite navigation head unit removed from a Porsche 991 Turbo S Generation II model to a 'buyer' in Birmingham who then contacted me a couple of days later to tell me I had sent him a climate control unit. I told him I knew what I had sent him, the climate control unit had gone to New York months earlier. He requested a return which was fine but then I got that sinking feeling that this was going to go wrong. When my part arrived back, it had morphed into an Audi broken piece of plastic. His messages were all of him being a victim, I couldn't believe the front of him. So now he has his money back, my part and to top it all off he left me bad feedback!!
The second scam happened days later when an airbag from the same vehicle with pretty much the same scenario but this time the 'buyer' lived 5.8 miles away from buyer number one. He complained that it was not compatible to his vehicle, requested a return and I received an Audi rear view mirror for my troubles. This time he left me positive feedback. I am now £900 out of pocket with a deep dislike of thieves. I investigated his feedback history to find he had scammed a German seller out of nearly £2000 for a complete carbon steering wheel recently.
Ebay are not interested, Paypal are not interested and I doubt Action Fraud line will be interested or be able to do anything about it. Before this little adventure, the 'buyer' had good feedback so I was not suspicious of him. He has taken nearly £3000 in a matter of weeks off the one's I know about but there may be others. I have his contact details but I doubt anything legal can be done.
I am just venting really but I just wanted to highlight this as I believe cases like this are now on the rise. Thanks
This is the scenario that stopped me buying, refurbing and reselling laptops on ebay. It's staggering how much front people have. I was lucky enough to win my appeal with ebay/paypal so I quit whilst I was ahead.

ddom

6,657 posts

77 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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I had a scam on eBay along the same lines. Ended up with negative feedback and being out of pocket. They did nothing to the guy and couldn't be less interested. I spent hours trying to get it sorted, but in the end gave up and got on with my life. I'll never use eBay for selling, for buying I'll just make contact and go and visit before paying up.

Trackdayer

1,090 posts

70 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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Similar has happened to me OP

The simple remedy is never to post or accept Paypal for anything, ever.

Fees plus a risk of being fleeced, it's a terrible method of payment for a seller. I've switched to cash-on-collection only and had zero issues since.

Trackdayer

1,090 posts

70 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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As suggested earlier I would definitely consider a MCOL CCJ route. It's cheap, quick and there's a fair chance you'll win.

vikingaero

13,258 posts

198 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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Mac McGovern said:
Hi there
I just wanted to highlight a scam I was recently subjected to on eBay (twice actually). I sold a touch screen satellite navigation head unit removed from a Porsche 991 Turbo S Generation II model to a 'buyer' in Birmingham who then contacted me a couple of days later to tell me I had sent him a climate control unit. I told him I knew what I had sent him, the climate control unit had gone to New York months earlier. He requested a return which was fine but then I got that sinking feeling that this was going to go wrong. When my part arrived back, it had morphed into an Audi broken piece of plastic. His messages were all of him being a victim, I couldn't believe the front of him. So now he has his money back, my part and to top it all off he left me bad feedback!!
The second scam happened days later when an airbag from the same vehicle with pretty much the same scenario but this time the 'buyer' lived 5.8 miles away from buyer number one. He complained that it was not compatible to his vehicle, requested a return and I received an Audi rear view mirror for my troubles. This time he left me positive feedback. I am now £900 out of pocket with a deep dislike of thieves. I investigated his feedback history to find he had scammed a German seller out of nearly £2000 for a complete carbon steering wheel recently.
Ebay are not interested, Paypal are not interested and I doubt Action Fraud line will be interested or be able to do anything about it. Before this little adventure, the 'buyer' had good feedback so I was not suspicious of him. He has taken nearly £3000 in a matter of weeks off the one's I know about but there may be others. I have his contact details but I doubt anything legal can be done.
I am just venting really but I just wanted to highlight this as I believe cases like this are now on the rise. Thanks
Advertise the touch screen nav again. If he bites send him the broken piece of plastic....

the tribester

2,928 posts

115 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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It's definitely not a Porsche 991 parts scam, it's a regular ebay scam.

My friend signed up to eBay and PayPal then sold and posted a nice leather jacket. The buyer responded by complaining that she had sent him a dress, not a jacket, and provided a photo of it. The buyer then demanded a refund, and both eBay and Paypal sided with him. He got a nice jacket for nothing.

There was nothing my friend could do to convince the system that it was a scam.

RowntreesCabana

2,353 posts

283 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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What are the usernames of said scallywags? It won't help you but may help others.

Sir Bagalot

7,089 posts

210 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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vikingaero said:
Advertise the touch screen nav again. If he bites send him the broken piece of plastic....
I might know of someone that did exactly that, and no it wasn't me.

BMW F10 bits. Birmingham address, claimed different parts, no good, returned a pile of bits that was ste.

Used slightly different pictures and a totally different location to sell same bits. Within 4 hours same buyer bit. Paypal account emptied, waited a few days with a sad excuse and then sent items he had sent. Buyer wasn't happy at all.

A1VDY

3,575 posts

156 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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chrisch77 said:
If you have the delivery address then I suggest a visit?
This^
Go and wring the money out of him.
No its not always the best thing to do but it's just personally what I would do..

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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I use ebay but have formed my own buying/selling rules

Cash on collection or paypal only
Avoid anything midlands based
Look at their profile, feedback and transactions from past.

This usually helps avoid the brummy bruvs

Trackdayer

1,090 posts

70 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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lord trumpton said:
Avoid anything midlands based
That excludes several highly affluent areas.

And does nothing for other hotspots of scumminess like London or Bradford