RE: BRM's V16 can be heard 'from 10 miles away'
RE: BRM's V16 can be heard 'from 10 miles away'
Sunday 21st March 2021

BRM's V16 can be heard 'from 10 miles away'

Headphones in, volume up; it's time to welcome back one of F1's most glorious sounds


After teasing us with a fiery picture of the engine on the test bed in the middle of the week, BRM has now released video footage of its rebuilt Type 15 V16 motor running for the first time. And it has absolutely not disappointed, as this might just be the best engine video ever made. That said, no matter how spectacular it sounds through your speakers, the chief engine man behind the rebuild has told PH that it’s nothing on what’s heard in the workshop. “It’s quite a substantial noise, it sounds amazing on the video,” says Hall and Hall’s Martin Smith, “but you can’t beat being next to it”. We don’t doubt it.

While this engine isn’t a ground-up new build like the ones set to go in the three continuation P15s, it is a fully rebuilt original motor which last ran in 1999 when it was overrevved by former F1 driver (and then 77-year-old) Jose-Froilan Gonzalez. Hall and Hall, the BRM specialist that was established by former BRM F1 engineer Rick Hall, is handling the build in its Cobham workshop. Smith says the V16 and other BRM motors are so loud that on calm days, they “can be heard in my village, which is 10 miles away”. Naturally, the supercharged V16 is the loudest of them all. Everyone knows when the sixteen’s fired up.

Despite the obvious ferocity of the Formula 1 motor, it’s just 1.5 litres in capacity, with tiny cylinders and pistons, due to F1 regulations in those Fangio-dominated days. Supercharged engines were limited to 1,500cc, but that didn’t stop BRM – and its fifties team principle, Sir Alfred Owen – from extracting over 550hp from its 16-cylinder motor, which produced its peak power at 10,000rpm with 2.5psi of boost. The latest run on the test bed, conveniently, took the motor to that point, but Smith hinted that it could go further, saying the test bed, not the engine, “was limited to 10,000rpm”.


So iconic is this engine – and the equally innovative Formula 1 car that it went into, along with F1’s first disc brakes – that one of the three original Type 15 racers is owned by none other than Bernie Ecclestone. Smith said the motor Hall and Hall has worked on comes from a car that’s located in France, with the other example being the National Motor Museum car on display in Beaulieu, which only very occasionally runs. Smith’s ‘new-build’ engines, the first of which will go into a car for John Owen, the 81-year-old son of Sir Owen, pick up from where that trio left off. And while they’ll remain true to the original design, Smith says the new run will be a little easier to live with, thanks to minor improvements.

“The engines will be built to exact original specification, but using modern machining like CNC, so they’ll be better,” he says. “We also fit the motors with water heaters and oil tank heaters, so the engine is warmed to about 55 degrees, so they start easier.”

These are exceptionally complex engines as is, with company founder Hall himself telling PH that “some of the parts are so elaborate that they’re very difficult to make, even today”. He says the original design was “an exercise in how complex and how difficult can you make something “, only half joking, but that “it’s all beautiful and lovely stuff”. Not that these engines are intended to become artwork; Hall emphasises that the idea is for buyers “to use them at racing speeds”. Although he concedes with a chuckle that “it depends how deep one’s pockets are”. Maintaining such a highly strung car engine – the first to exceed 10,000rpm in history – isn’t ever going to be cheap.


That includes what it drinks. Smith explains that BRM runs its V16 on “a mixture of methanol pump fuel, acetone and race fuel”, with methanol accounting for 80 per cent of the mix and the other two liquids each representing about 10 per cent. So long as the methanol is burnt off before they stop the engine, it should start with no hiccups next time. Meaning even such a seemingly wild engine is not far off being an on-the-button powertrain. Compare that to modern F1 power units and the computational power they require.

As for BRM, with this rebuilt engine proving that the team at Hall and Hall still very much has what it takes to get a V16 spinning its own crank (nobody doubted it), attention can now turn to replicating the build from the ground-up. While Smith’s work is centred on the engine, the company has teams for each of the P15’s areas, with the project using original technical drawings and the latest in workshop technology, to ensure accuracy. Should all go to plan, we should be seeing – and hearing – a V16-powered P15 out in public this year, hopefully at Goodwood. There's something to look forward to...





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AJ-T

Original Poster:

331 posts

216 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Good god! Pagani V12 step aside

Isebac

251 posts

64 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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It's impossible for the engine to produce 550hp from 1.5L at only "2.5 psi" of boost, even at 10k RPM. Did you mean "2.5 bar" - which would be 36 psi?

And even at 2.5 bar of boost, 550hp at 10k RPM seems very optimistic. You would expect more like 480-500hp.

Edited by Isebac on Sunday 21st March 12:47

anixie

27 posts

123 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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2.5 bar it is (check gauges in the video). And sure it sounds better than the Huayra R engine. However I highly suspect the Huayra engine will not require a rebuild every 1000 miles. This BRM one just might need that when driven in anger..

sideways man

1,635 posts

163 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Just beautiful. That test bed exhaust is about 2 meters long, and produces flames; the Mark 2 cars originally had 16 stub exhausts, so it could properly scare the opposition ...

Stick Legs

8,684 posts

191 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Still not a patch on a chipped 335d...


Seriously though what a brilliant thing to be doing. I have a lovely book at home about the history of the V16 BRM engine by Rivers Fletcher and it has acetate pages that show the engine sectioned, unfortunately it's coming apart at the seams, but these are a proper bit of British engineering history.

McRors

441 posts

82 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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What an epic video! Great fun.

PotHoleHater

2,622 posts

251 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Holy goosebumps, Batman!

That must be quite an experience in the shed! I was wearing goosebumps within a second of hearing it on my iPad!

Veeayt

3,139 posts

231 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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anixie said:
2.5 bar it is (check gauges in the video). And sure it sounds better than the Huayra R engine. However I highly suspect the Huayra engine will not require a rebuild every 1000 miles. This BRM one just might need that when driven in anger..
I suspect this figure is highly optimistic smile

sideways man

1,635 posts

163 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Veeayt said:
I suspect this figure is highly optimistic smile
When Nick Mason raced his, he described the expense as similar to covering the circuit in the finest quality carpet... plus rebuilds!

Jerseyhpc

31 posts

131 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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The video is amazing, but...until you actually see one of these thing running in front of you, you have no idea, not a jot of one, just how violent, visceral and generally otherworldly a V16 is! Utterly, utterly beautiful.

Baddie

788 posts

243 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Looking forward to more of this, but hope they manage to make them run will a little consistency. Mark Hales’ experience in “Into the Red” was frustrating reading and listening.

The drivers will made some brave pills too - because of the centrifugal supercharger they were supposed to come alive at 6k then roughly double their power every 2000 rpm.

Augustus Windsock

3,753 posts

181 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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‘Can be heard in my village, which is 10 miles away’
I’m guessing some snowflakes will complain even though they e never heard it run and anyone within 10 miles will be asking for it to be banned from running
Strange that back when these things were racing nobody ever complained about the noise...
Anyhoo, great project, hope it gets up and fully running, it should be epic to watch and listen to (in my head I’m seeing it blast up the hill climb at Goodwood FOS on a demonstration run)

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

251 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Augustus Windsock said:
‘Can be heard in my village, which is 10 miles away’
I’m guessing some snowflakes will complain even though they e never heard it run and anyone within 10 miles will be asking for it to be banned from running
Strange that back when these things were racing nobody ever complained about the noise...
Anyhoo, great project, hope it gets up and fully running, it should be epic to watch and listen to (in my head I’m seeing it blast up the hill climb at Goodwood FOS on a demonstration run)
You sure about that? I'd like to bet there were plenty of unhappy people - there was just no internet for them to moan on. wink Ha ha.

Worst part of 2021 is that everyone thinks their opinion matters...perhaps even me. Yeugh. hurl

The Don of Croy

6,398 posts

185 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Best thing to come out of Bourne. Ever.

hairy v

1,390 posts

170 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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By heck ... that is gorgeous.

VSKeith

1,704 posts

73 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Oilchange said:
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I wonder what it's going in?
MX5?

Sandpit Steve

14,165 posts

100 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Wow, that sounds wonderful! Great little video they made to go with it too.

Please, please have it back in the car, ready to go up the hill at Goodwood.

samoht

7,100 posts

172 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Isebac said:
It's impossible for the engine to produce 550hp from 1.5L at only "2.5 psi" of boost, even at 10k RPM. Did you mean "2.5 bar" - which would be 36 psi?

And even at 2.5 bar of boost, 550hp at 10k RPM seems very optimistic. You would expect more like 480-500hp.
2.5 bar boost means a charge pressure (& thus density) of 3.5 times that of a naturally aspirated engine, making the 1.5L capacity akin to a 5.25L non-supercharged motor. A 5.25 litre engine making 550hp at 10,000 rpm sounds about right to me, so that sounds realistic, unless I'm missing something?

Isebac

251 posts

64 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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samoht said:
2.5 bar boost means a charge pressure (& thus density) of 3.5 times that of a naturally aspirated engine, making the 1.5L capacity akin to a 5.25L non-supercharged motor. A 5.25 litre engine making 550hp at 10,000 rpm sounds about right to me, so that sounds realistic, unless I'm missing something?
No, you are not missing anything - somehow when I was accounting for the boost I calculated it thinking the engine was 1L, not 1.5L, my mistake.

ArmouredBiscuit

1,139 posts

260 months

Monday 22nd March 2021
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I have family over that way. I think I need to adjust my bubble for a while. biggrin