RE: Honda sells Swindon plant to Panattoni
RE: Honda sells Swindon plant to Panattoni
Monday 29th March 2021

Honda sells Swindon plant to Panattoni

Japanese manufacturer will hand over the keys to US logistics specialist after more than 35 years in UK



Honda has agreed to sell its Swindon production plant to American logistics specialist Panattoni, securing the future of a facility that currently employs 3,500 people. The news comes two years after Honda – for which Swindon produces 150,000 cars, 10 per cent of the manufacturer’s annual total – announced it was selling the site amid weak sales performances in the UK and Europe. While Honda will focus its attention on higher income regions, Panattoni is to make a plus-£700-million investment in the site, creating new jobs in the process – and ensuring the local economy hangs on to one of its key contributors.

The home of global Civic production is set to be fully decommissioned by next spring, with Panattoni – which specialises in industrial real estate and warehouses – due to take over the vast majority of the location. Honda said Panattoni is “currently delivering a 2.3 million sq ft logistics centre for the largest internet retailer”, which presumably means Amazon (although it doesn’t reference the brand), representing “£400-million of private investment” and creating “in the region of 2,000 new jobs including the construction phase and future operations”. 

Jason Smith, Honda UK’s manufacturing director, said: “We are pleased to have identified a capable new owner of the site. From our engagement with Panattoni and initial discussions with Swindon Borough Council, we are confident that the new owner can bring the development forward in a commercially timely fashion and generate exciting prospects for Swindon and the wider community.”


While the news is unquestionably good for the local economy, it’s obviously not going to be a case of swapping branded T-shirts and carrying on for the site’s employees. Indeed, the union that represents the majority of Swindon workers, Unite, refrained from getting overexcited, instead stating that it “cautiously welcomes the sale of Honda’s Swindon plant to Panattoni”. Unite added: “It is of the utmost importance that all stakeholders, including local and national government, Honda and Panattoni, ensure that manufacturers are given every incentive to make the site their home.”

Honda, which made the site into its global Civic hub in 2015, has based its UK operations from the location since 1985. The Swindon site produced as many as 230,423 cars per annum (in 2008), but thanks to struggling sales both in Britain and Europe, that number fell by as much as 100,000 units in the years that followed. That’s obviously not to the discredit of those who worked there, though, or the quality of the manufacturing, which was widely considered outstanding. Unite highlights this, stating that the renewed site is “crucial for providing secure well-paid jobs for our communities”.

While the news does not undo the unfortunate nature of Honda's departure, it is certainly preferable to no new owner at all. Especially in light of wider circumstances. Precisely what the future of Honda sales in the UK looks like remains to be seen, but we already know that the FK8 Type R is something of a swansong for the manufacturer's near 40 year presence. Fitting, then, that it's peerlessly good. 


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Jon_S_Rally

Original Poster:

4,183 posts

109 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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While it's good that the site will be put to use, I don't think I'd be celebrating too much. Working in an Amazon warehouse isn't exactly the same as working on a car production line, so it's hardly going to offer comparable jobs.

A shame Honda are pulling out, but it's no great surprise. They just don't make the kind of cars that most Europeans want to buy.

anonymous-user

75 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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There'll be jobs alright, but hardly ones of much relevance to current Honda workers

lonny

427 posts

264 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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Those new jobs will be at warehouse rates - a lot lower than car manufacture. Sad for all the employees.

malaccamax

1,503 posts

252 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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I think there's a lot of people treating this is as great news when it was clear this land was always going to be sold to a developer, either for housing or for this type of use. I guess the local council nixed its sale for housing, wanting something that could offer jobs.
Remember when one certain paper got all excited that BMW was going to buy the plant? Now we've got more logistics jobs instead.
This is the kind of role on offer at Panattoni's Northampton site.

themule

139 posts

96 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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yea, hard to go from building cars to making Italian style Christmas cakes getmecoat

Manic Street Sleeper

1,173 posts

62 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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It was said that Britain was a nation of shopkeepers ... now it's a nation of parcel pickers and delivery drivers.

jimmytheone

1,850 posts

239 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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Do they specialise in the logistics of Italian sweet bread, i wonder?

CS Garth

2,872 posts

126 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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3,500 skilled well paid jobs out, 3,500 box packers in.

Nice one Brexit wink

Frimley111R

17,985 posts

255 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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CS Garth said:
3,500 skilled well paid jobs out, 3,500 box packers in.

Nice one Brexit wink
  1. facepalm (it's nothing to do with BREXIT.)


cwis

1,240 posts

200 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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CS Garth said:
3,500 skilled well paid jobs out, 3,500 box packers in.

Nice one Brexit wink
Nothing to do with Brexit.

CS Garth

2,872 posts

126 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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cwis said:
CS Garth said:
3,500 skilled well paid jobs out, 3,500 box packers in.

Nice one Brexit wink
Nothing to do with Brexit.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

In seriousness, why is it that Brexiteers are unable to accept that anything has anything to do with Brexit. Why vote for it then?!!

mike425

30 posts

81 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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The creation of these warehousing jobs is one of the biggest cons in recent times. I spend most of my time involved in the construction phase of the buildings.

A good proportion of the companies opening these staff the majority of their pickers using agencies so that there are no formal contracts in place.

The bigger ones such as Amazon etc do directly employ, but a very high number of the middle tier ones do not.

It always surprises me that the local authorities push these are creating jobs of the future.....you go into the buildings once they are finished and 90% of the workers are on zero hours contracts.

A Winner Is You

25,744 posts

248 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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CS Garth said:
cwis said:
CS Garth said:
3,500 skilled well paid jobs out, 3,500 box packers in.

Nice one Brexit wink
Nothing to do with Brexit.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

In seriousness, why is it that Brexiteers are unable to accept that anything has anything to do with Brexit. Why vote for it then?!!
So can we blame their declining sales from 2009-2020 on the EU?

Clivey

5,470 posts

225 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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CS Garth said:
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

In seriousness, why is it that Brexiteers are unable to accept that anything has anything to do with Brexit. Why vote for it then?!!
Several manufacturers have recently abandoned the WHOLE OF THE EUROPEAN MARKET due to it being a complete pain in the backside to sell cars here these days (too many overly-restrictive regulations meaning the costs of development are insane)...and we're almost certain to lose a whole load more when the "EV revolution" happens.

3yardy3

280 posts

135 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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CS Garth said:
cwis said:
CS Garth said:
3,500 skilled well paid jobs out, 3,500 box packers in.

Nice one Brexit wink
Nothing to do with Brexit.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

In seriousness, why is it that Brexiteers are unable to accept that anything has anything to do with Brexit. Why vote for it then?!!
In seriousness, why accept something that is not true... There will be downsides and upsides, this one however has nothing to do Brexit so bringing it up was daft, Fact check first please.


Jon_S_Rally

Original Poster:

4,183 posts

109 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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CS Garth said:
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

In seriousness, why is it that Brexiteers are unable to accept that anything has anything to do with Brexit. Why vote for it then?!!
You could ask why anti-brexit folk are so desperate to blame everything bad that happens on brexit, even when it's not related. Honda's sales in Europe are pretty abysmal. If the plant was to stay open, then maybe Honda should have made cars that appealed to European and UK buyers, rather than dreary ste like the Jazz. The fact is, they may as well just concentrate on other markets where they can make a load more money and aren't being legislated into insolvency in the name of being "environmentally friendly".

mike425 said:
The creation of these warehousing jobs is one of the biggest cons in recent times. I spend most of my time involved in the construction phase of the buildings.

A good proportion of the companies opening these staff the majority of their pickers using agencies so that there are no formal contracts in place.

The bigger ones such as Amazon etc do directly employ, but a very high number of the middle tier ones do not.

It always surprises me that the local authorities push these are creating jobs of the future.....you go into the buildings once they are finished and 90% of the workers are on zero hours contracts.
I did a bit of work for Amazon over Christmas as I was made redundant thanks to Covid. Sadly, Amazon employ very few people. It's all self-employed folk working on contracts. Clever of Amazon, as it means they don't have to pay any employment benefits, but not great for the workers.

You have to wonder if the recent ruling against Uber will change things. Hopefully it will.

CS Garth

2,872 posts

126 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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A Winner Is You said:
So can we blame their declining sales from 2009-2020 on the EU?
Being a bit less flippant no, absolutely not.

There are a myriad of factors at work here and the interplay is complex, as you say Honda definitely started losing its mojo in Europe post 2008. Brexit is clearly not the defining factor. But to say it had nothing to do with Brexit is disingenuous in the extreme.

As an example, 75% of the parts that make up a Civic are imported from mainland Europe. The friction that Brexit has now added to the movement of parts in and cars out is undeniable.

Th other oft quoted argument is that the company itself states this this is nothing to do with Brexit. Given that 1) it would be madness to alienate 52% of your potential buyers, possibly more in the case of Honda's buyer age demographic, and 2) the Japanese are culturally indirect and keen to avoid embarrassment to a host Government, the notion that they would ever cite Brexit in any way is implausible.

Regardless, we can argue the reasoning but ultimately it's a sad end for Swindon and the workers and the secondary jobs they supported.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,531 posts

119 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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3yardy3 said:
CS Garth said:
cwis said:
CS Garth said:
3,500 skilled well paid jobs out, 3,500 box packers in.

Nice one Brexit wink
Nothing to do with Brexit.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

In seriousness, why is it that Brexiteers are unable to accept that anything has anything to do with Brexit. Why vote for it then?!!
In seriousness, why accept something that is not true... There will be downsides and upsides, this one however has nothing to do Brexit so bringing it up was daft, Fact check first please.

So let's just pretend you are the CEO of Honda. You have a choice. You can say that it was decided to close the factory and it was nothing to do with Brexit, and everyone goes "Oh well" and life carries on, or you can say "Well, there were a variety of reasons and Brexit was one of them" and then you spend the next 6 months embroiled in a massive PR nightmare which will harm car sales, take up lots of management time and make no difference in the end.

What would you do ?

I suspect, and this is only me, that the main reason was, as stated, the Civic car sales have been poor. But Honda car sales worldwide are still good, and there may well have been other reasons why they chose to close this factory down as opposed to re-investing in it to make a different model....

Terminator X

19,097 posts

225 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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It's been a long time since I felt the need to mention the B word ...

"The news comes two years after Honda ... announced it was selling the site amid weak sales performances in the UK and Europe"

Didn't 48% of people jump on the #becausebrexit bandwagon when the closure was announced!

TX.

m444ttb

3,175 posts

250 months

Monday 29th March 2021
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As a local the only real positive is the site won’t sit derelict for years as I’d feared. Hope there will be some real jobs (rather than empty warehouses) even if they aren’t on a par with the work at Honda. I’m not sure whether the Amazon warehouse being delivered by the same company are setting up a couple of miles from the Honda site is operational yet but that part of the town is quickly turning into a collection of warehouses with a large B&Q (or something like that) just down the A419 from Honda. The saddest thing is it feels a lot like history repeating. When my parents moved us here it was just as the Honda factory became operational and it was an absolute godsend with the railway works having closed not long before.