RE: Jaguar F-Pace SVR vs. Alfa Stelvio Quadrifoglio
RE: Jaguar F-Pace SVR vs. Alfa Stelvio Quadrifoglio
Sunday 4th July 2021

Jaguar F-Pace SVR vs. Alfa Stelvio Quadrifoglio

The best cars Alfa and Jaguar make might be SUVs - but which is better?



Despite rousing soundtracks and mighty performance, neither the Stelvio Quadrifoglio nor the F-Pace SVR met with universal approval at reveal. At least not from the die-hard Jag and Alfa enthusiasts. For them, it was an opportunity (however slim) to create the mega wagons of old - an XF SVR Sportbrake, for example - and deliver cult icons in the process. SUVs just weren't what these manufacturers did, after all; much better to play it safe with the established niches.

Then the world drove the F-Pace and Stelvio. Far from cynical marketing ploys to cash in SUV popularity, it turned out the SVR and Quadrifoglio were capable, gratifying performance cars in their own right. Those after handsome, fast, all-weather family buses were amply served by both; those who actively sought great driver's cars - or didn't fancy anything German - would also have been extremely satisfied with either. Neither were perfect, yet both Alfa and Jaguar were also more than good enough to overlook foibles.

Now both have been updated to face the BMW X3 M, Mercedes-AMG GLC 63, either of the Porsche SUVs and whatever else may have been launched in the segment between writing this test and publishing it. The changes aren't drastic - particularly in the Alfa's case - with the same power outputs as before and much attention paid to the inside, but given most criticisms beforehand were levelled at perceived quality that's probably no bad thing. Precious little, really, needed to change about how these two drove.



Little has been altered about how either looks, too. By and large that's fine, given these are two of the better turned-out performance SUVs. That said, the Jaguar's sheer size means even 21-inch wheels probably don't fill the arches as they should, and the Alfa isn't without an awkward angle. It's possible they both looked better pre-facelift, neither the Stelvio's tinted taillights nor the F-Pace's more aggressive front end working any transformative wonders.

Consequently, it's the respective interiors that separate the two. The Stelvio's revisions are minor when they needed to be major, amounting to little more than a slightly larger touchscreen with smartphone compatibility. And, frankly, its cabin ambience, quality, aura - whatever metric you want to measure it by or term you wish to call it - isn't good enough for an £80k car. Plastics are scratchy, controls are fiddly, the displays little more than fine. It would only just pass muster in the standard Stelvio so is a real issue here.

The Jaguar's cabin steamrollers over it. With Pivi Pro now equipped and operating through a large, vivid screen, and the architecture liberally tweaked, the F-Pace SVR now has an interior befitting of its billing and price tag. The touchscreen is intuitive, the materials rich, the balance between luxury and sporting intent near perfectly struck. The only real downside is the new shifter; gone is the pistol-grip of old, replaced with an Audi-style anvil atop the transmission tunnel. Fortunately the chunky metal paddles remain, though even those are made to feel puny and inadequate next to the enormous aluminium slivers lurking behind the wheel of the Alfa Romeo. Unfortunately, even those tactile treats can't save the Quadrifoglio from having easily the least inviting interior here.



It's fortunate for Alfa Romeo, then, that this Stelvio remains such an obscenely entertaining car to drive. A Quadrifoglio scaled down to 80 per cent would make a compelling hot hatch, such is its irrepressible nature and infallible ability to entertain; as a full-size, two-tonne SUV, the Stelvio's capacity for mischief is borderline remarkable. If Porsche showed that SUVs could handle, Alfa has made certain that they can raise a smile as well.

Despite the addition of hundreds of kilos and a driven front axle, the Stelvio has retained the Giulia's beguiling immediacy, deftness and agility. (Or the impression of them, at least - a direct back-to-back would obviously highlight the saloon's advantages.) But the notable characteristics have successfully transitioned, which so seldom happens. It means you drive the Alfa like a conductor leading an orchestra, with short, sharp and precise direction. The brakes aren't going to win any awards for subtlety, but the rest of the car is beholden to impressively small inputs. From behind the wheel you wouldn't change a thing.

Enough has probably been written about the 2.9-litre motor already, yet it's hard not to be effusive about the V6. Sure, it can seem a bit muted at slow speeds and doesn't have the unmistakable aura of Jaguar's V8. But it's still arguably the most exciting turbocharged six-cylinder engine out there, eclipsing BMW's efforts and probably even Porsche's too, revving with so little inertia and boasting a fizzy, exciting, gruff yet endearing soundtrack. It really makes a virtue of its auto-only status, moreover, with tightly stacked ratios and an upshift parp to savour. Makes you wonder how many similar powertrains are so uninteresting when Alfa has it nailed.

Much as it does in the Giulia, the combination of this engine with that chassis works its magic brilliantly at eight-tenths. There isn't an SUV with a more rewarding driving experience when in 'Dynamic' mode. The Quadrifoglio has the body control and poise of something far lighter, a mid-corner balance that belies its silhouette and the ideal blend of traction, grip, and power. It feels impressively - perhaps even wantonly - adjustable on-throttle, and improbably light on its toes compared with the F-Pace. Of course other like-minded SUVs are capable of replicating its cross-country pace, but none do such a good job of coaxing you into tarmac-rally-driver mode.



Partly as a result of its bullish nature, it's no surprise to learn that it can't hold a candle to the new F-Pace for a calmer, more measured progress along a country road. It would be wrong to call the Jaguar subdued because, as ever, the 5.0-litre V8 is like toting round a sawn-off shotgun (quick on the draw, explosive) but where the Quadrifoglio isn't concerned about beating you up a bit at urban speeds, the SVR is much easier to rub along with. And, crucially, it's an approach that is no less satisfying in its own way.

Much like the job done by Alfa with the Stelvio, Jaguar's most signature triumph is migrating the dynamic traits of its saloon cars into a two-tonne 4x4s. For the F-Pace that means the same carefully measured steering feedback, effortless, dextrous flow with a road regardless of surface (helped here by not having the biggest wheels) and authentic feel that the ever so slightly contrived Alfa lacks, however endearing its big hot hatch feel is. The SVR drives like the best big Jag saloon you could imagine. Which is some praise to bestow.

The manufacturer has done a good job of sharpening up the latest model, too - one of its key metrics was chasing the more aggressive handling paraded so well by the Alfa, and its increased spiritedness is admirable. But it can't fully overcome the slightly more compact Stelvio's circa 200kg weight advantage, nor the presence of a larger engine forward of the bulkhead. Its behaviour through a sharp bend makes the V8 feel a yard distant of where Alfa has positioned its shorter engine, and, try as it might, the F-Pace can't replicate its bravura-grade turn-in. If the Stelvio is the car to finely adjust and agitate with precise inputs, the Jaguar far better suits slow in and heroically fast on the way out. Which means that more often than not, you're coaxing it into silliness, rather than the other way round.



But here's the thing - on the road there's precious little separating them. In part that's due to the enormous grip and braking performance that's behind the Jaguar's subtler, softer controls - but also the way that the V8 hurls the F-Pace along a road. The supercharged unit perfectly suits the SVR's way of doing things, trading on bountiful torque for effortless, immense performance. Given everything, the Alfa probably is the faster car, though who drives like that? In typical Jaguar fashion, the F-Pace is always fast without ever feeling like much fuss is made about it, knowingly relying on its rich, rude, and mellifluous soundtrack to gratify its audience. Whereas the Stelvio ravishes and shouts its way round a one-way system like a sun-burnt football fan.

The respective and considerable talents of both ultimately make them hard to prize apart; 20 minutes will make you think the Alfa's way of doing things is preferable, only for many miles in the other seat to convince you that Jaguar is unequivocally superior. On the day - a day inevitably richer with scenic B roads than most journeys - the Alfa, by virtue of its smaller size, lighter mass, and more energetic engine, is the more thrilling drive; so much so that there are one or two sports cars that could learn something about enjoyment here. It's the SUV that could well have you out of bed early on Sunday morning, just for another go.

In good conscience though, it cannot be wholeheartedly recommended over the new F-Pace. The Jaguar might be less absorbing and immersive to drive with your hair on fire, but it's really not far off despite its drawbacks. Add into that its extra space, vastly superior driving environment and plush motorway manners and the case it presents really is undeniably strong. The SVR was always a likeable car, let down by a few details; this facelift has extracted the best from it almost across the board - which means that you absolutely shouldn't buy one of the usual suspects in this segment without driving the F-Pace first. That is, unless there's already a Stelvio Quadrifoglio on the driveway. You legend, you.


SPECIFICATION | JAGUAR F-PACE SVR

Engine: 5,000cc, V8, supercharged
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 550@6,250-6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 516@3,500-5,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.0secs
Top speed: 178mph
Weight: 2,133kg (EU unladen)
MPG: 23.1
CO2: 275g/km
Price: £77,595 (price as standard; price as tested £81,565, comprised of Privacy glass for £415, Fixed panoramic roof for £1,275, Meridian sound system for £420, Pixel LED headlights for £1,300, Lockable cooled glovebox for £60, Cabin Air Ionisation with PM2.5 filter for £140, Air quality sensor for £60 and Wireless device charging for £300

SPECIFICATION | ALFA ROMEO STELVIO QUADRIFOGLIO

Engine: 2,891cc, V6 twin-turbo
Transmission: 8-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 510@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 443@2,500rpm
0-62mph: 3.8sec
Top speed: 176mph
Weight: 1,905kg
MPG: 31
CO2: 210g/km
Price: £73,195 (price as standard; price as tested £79,285 comprised of sunroof, Driver Assistance Plus Pack, Electrically adjustable seats, Quadrifoglio sports steering wheel, Hands-free tailgate, Harman Kardon audio















Author
Discussion

BeillyNoy

Original Poster:

390 posts

266 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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I don't care that the "purists" turn up their noses at this genre, I would have an F-pace SVR in a heartbeat.
Yes, I know a Cayman GT4 will be a better drive but, seriously, who gives a $hit about that if you have a weekly drive between Edinburgh and Aberdeen to contend with rain, hail or shine.
Oops, I think I've just persuaded myself to trade-in the Tesla...

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

216 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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Or you could have a fast estate car that did all the same stuff.

cerb4.5lee

44,721 posts

210 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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You have to admire how quick these are when you consider their size/height/weight I reckon. driving

BeillyNoy

Original Poster:

390 posts

266 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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Johnnytheboy said:
Or you could have a fast estate car that did all the same stuff.
Almost, but not quite.
The extra ground clearance of the SVR as opposed to, say an RS4, will be invaluable when negotiating some of the glorified dirt tracks that pass for access roads to outdoor activity venues (and, no, I don't mean dogging) at weekends.
N.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

264 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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BeillyNoy said:
I don't care that the "purists" turn up their noses at this genre, I would have an F-pace SVR in a heartbeat.
Yes, I know a Cayman GT4 will be a better drive but, seriously, who gives a $hit about that if you have a weekly drive between Edinburgh and Aberdeen to contend with rain, hail or shine.
Oops, I think I've just persuaded myself to trade-in the Tesla...
Does the Porsche not come with a roof or windscreen these days?

BeillyNoy

Original Poster:

390 posts

266 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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SidewaysSi said:
Does the Porsche not come with a roof or windscreen these days?
I believe they're optional extras on a Porsche.

NNH

1,548 posts

162 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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BeillyNoy said:
SidewaysSi said:
Does the Porsche not come with a roof or windscreen these days?
I believe they're optional extras on a Porsche.
The Sport Chrono windscreen is 23 grammes lighter and only £3000 more.

rodericb

8,881 posts

156 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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NNH said:
BeillyNoy said:
SidewaysSi said:
Does the Porsche not come with a roof or windscreen these days?
I believe they're optional extras on a Porsche.
The Sport Chrono windscreen is 23 grammes lighter and only £3000 more.
But needs to be optioned in with the deviated stitching package for another £6475.

Bser16

78 posts

85 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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A Brit reviewer and a Jaguar. Don't even have to read it to know which one he picked

Desiboy

57 posts

109 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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Bser16 said:
A Brit reviewer and a Jaguar. Don't even have to read it to know which one he picked
If this were Autocar, i'd second that, but i've never noted PH being overly pro Jaguar.

APontus

1,935 posts

65 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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I like the Jag here. The Stelvio looks a bit gawky to me.

Mind you, I hope the ride is better than the E-Pace. I got a lift in one this week and it had no suspension at all. It made my old M3 feel supple.

Mouse Rat

2,097 posts

122 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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Not my type of thing but the F Pace is a wonderful machine and very good looking for a 4x4

yme402

657 posts

132 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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Two wonderful old brands that I fear are not long for this world. They have both had more “new starts” or “make-or-break” models over the last 25 years than I care to remember. Still never understood with CAD and fully automated production and component manufacturing how both Alfa and JLR have never been able to get reliability of their products upto scratch.

unpc

2,998 posts

243 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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Was quite liking the Alfa up until I saw that carbon fibre (fake?) trim. WTF were they thinking?

chelme

1,353 posts

200 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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"On the day - a day inevitably richer with scenic B roads than most journeys - the Alfa, by virtue of its smaller size, lighter mass, and more energetic engine, is the more thrilling drive; so much so that there are one or two sports cars that could learn something about enjoyment here."

Case closed.

APontus

1,935 posts

65 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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unpc said:
Was quite liking the Alfa up until I saw that carbon fibre (fake?) trim. WTF were they thinking?
Seems to be popular. Read the supercar threads where they get all wet and tingly over how many £k they or the previous owner spent on carbon clap trap.

craig_m67

949 posts

218 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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unpc said:
Was quite liking the Alfa up until I saw that carbon fibre (fake?) trim. WTF were they thinking?
…. It’s real?!

(I guess they were thinking of people who like the look of it, because it adds no significant benefit/performance/weight saving… probably splinters in an accident and scars faces like a bd)

Edited by craig_m67 on Saturday 3rd July 07:58

Ninja59

3,691 posts

142 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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Did jayemm not drive one of the f pace SVR's and end up with problems with it?

Prefer the alfa in honesty

Coley88

2,965 posts

221 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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I’d have the SVR in a heartbeat.

I’d not had a lukewarm SUV until we order an M40i for the wife.

There’s lots of negativity around SUV’s. But I’m converted. It so easy to live with, ticks so many boxes and drives better than pretty much anything else I’ve had previously.

It’s probably lost £30k in the last 3 years which hurts though. It’ll have to be a keeper, which we’re happy with.

southerndriver

284 posts

104 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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Why are the action pictures all pairs of one end of the Jag with the other end of the Alfa ? Has someone in the production team mixed them up ?