RE: Toyota Corolla T Sport | Shed of the Week
RE: Toyota Corolla T Sport | Shed of the Week
Friday 27th August 2021

Toyota Corolla T Sport | Shed of the Week

Toyota has now made 50 million Corolla since 1966; not many of those have revved beyond 8,000rpm...



As some of you noticed last week, Shed is too mean to pay for damage checks on cars he buys, sells, or writes about. He passionately believes that information on the crash damage status of a car should be freely available in the public domain, just as MOT test information is. Or, to put it another way, he's too stingy to pay for data.

To be fair, he has always preferred to go off gut instinct, not just when buying villagers' cars without a shred of service history but also when it comes to fixing any problems. More often than not, this approach serves him well, but sometimes even Shed is stumped.

One of Shed's oldest pals is a wizened old druid who, like Shed, dabbles in used motors. An odd sounding combination, but then again, not all druids have the ability to teleport or possess a bus pass. One mystical piece of problem-fixing advice this ancient beardy gave Shed to help him deal with especially difficult cars was to remove his underpants, attach them to a hazel twig and twirl them vigorously above the engine bay, ten times clockwise followed by ten times anti-clockwise. Shed tried the technique on a stubborn Allegro he was helping the postmistress to get rid of. It didn't fix the car, but the underpant-twirling led to a day that wasn't a total loss for Shed.


When Toyota launched its gen-nine Corollas in 2000, mending them wasn't high on the agenda. Not because they had a cavalier attitude towards their customers but because the Corolla had by then acquired a thick reputational shell for reliability. The Corolla 1.8 VVTL-i T Sport's name was so long Toyota didn't bother representing it in badge form. Instead, they settled for gluing the Toyota Sport badge to one side of the tailgate and writing their company name in red on the other.

The 2ZZ-GE engine was the same one that Lotus used to good effect in their 860kg Elise. The Corolla was around 350kg heavier than that, but if you used the engine in the correct manner, it would deliver a 0-60 time in the low eights and a 140mph top end. That was a big 'if', though. The 189hp maximum didn't arrive until 7,800rpm, which was just 200rpm off the redline. Although the maximum torque did come along 1,000rpm earlier, it was hardly worth waiting for at 133lb ft. To keep the T Sport moving, you really had to row it along on the variable valve timing plateau above 6,200rpm, using a gearbox that wasn't massively satisfying with a less than precise shift and long top ratios. A short shifter kit fixed half of that. Combine it with a mild suspension drop and the aforementioned driving style and you had a EP3 Type R worrier on your hands.

The pre-facelift T Sport's conventionally unlowered suspension and barely touched interior did make you wonder who the car was aimed at. The 2005 facelifts with firmer suspension and strut braces as standard were noticeably better to drive than pre-facelifters like our 2003 car, their VSC stability control systems being less inclined to go off in corners than on PFL cars.


Officially, the supercharged TTE Compressor model was launched in that same facelift year of 2005 to get the 2ZZ-GE through the Euro 4 emissions regs, rather than to enhance its sporting credentials. You got a 35hp hike in power but an even longer wait for maximum power at 8,200rpm - 4,000rpm after the torque peak.

Shed has no doubt that this T Sport will drive well, or as well as any 150,000-mile car might anyway, and probably better than most carrying that sort of mileage. These Corollas are tough little blighters. Externally, despite the Corolla's reputation for thin paint, the sheet metal appears to be in excellent nick. The MOT advisories have been limited to normal wear and tear on the brakes and tyres. A non-excessive oil leak was picked up in last February's test, but MOT testers are obliged to make a note of the sort of things that the vast majority of owners wouldn't give a twopenny hoot about.

If you fancy a taste of the high-rpm lifestyle and have given up on the idea of finding an affordable and unthrashed EP3, a T Sport might tick your box. Your options are diminishing fast, though: the TTE Compressor was only on sale for a year, so it was never a common sight, but the number of Comps registered on British roads has gone down from over 130 a little over two years ago, to fewer than 90 today. The T Sport was more numerous but if they follow the same rate of attrition, they won't be around much longer. Get yours while they're not not here.


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Mr Tidy

Original Poster:

28,378 posts

147 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Well it would certainly pass under the radar for a hot hatch!

But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?

I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.

Now where is my flak-jacket. laugh

carinaman

23,898 posts

192 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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We had a dark blue 5 door in April 2019 as SoTW.

Link shared as I think a lot of the comments may be repeated:

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonhea...

They can suffer from rust around the back end of the sills. There was a dark green one for sale privately in Cornwall with such rust that ended up with a trader with quite a mark up.

GTEYE

2,323 posts

230 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Mr Tidy said:
Well it would certainly pass under the radar for a hot hatch!

But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?

I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.

Now where is my flak-jacket. laugh
You should be wearing that flak jacket…

I’d suggest 189bhp was quite impressive back then for a normally aspirated 1.8 - a bit like a Honda V-TEC of the era, high revving but light on torque.

You can’t compare everything to your old 325ti….

On the Corolla, time hasn’t been particularly kind to the styling, but £1,500 doesn’t buy much in today’s market so it’s probably worth it. Not for me though.

waynedear

2,351 posts

187 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Sold mine in May, they are fun, lift is quite addictive, pretty practical as well.
Check the heater works.

Edited by waynedear on Friday 27th August 06:31

anonymous-user

74 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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1.5k for a 150k car, seems very expensive really.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

281 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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I just couldn't get past the fact that I'd look and feel like Doris going to Sainsburys for a few bits. Never mind how quick it might be.

waynecyclist

12,969 posts

134 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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The Spruce Goose said:
1.5k for a 150k car, seems very expensive really.
Not really, used car market is nuts at the moment with crazy prices being asked

200Plus Club

12,515 posts

298 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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It's a £grand shed final offer...

We've a similar year 1.4 corrolla and they are fine cars as sheds, don't go wrong or break down and pleasant enough to drive. Paid 600 quid for ours. Looks like it will live until petrol is banned.

JD82

394 posts

155 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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waynecyclist said:
The Spruce Goose said:
1.5k for a 150k car, seems very expensive really.
Not really, used car market is nuts at the moment with crazy prices being asked
£1500 for an entire working car that’s quite swift? Seems cheap to me. 🙃

Stoned

113 posts

149 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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133lbs torque... damn! rofl
Imagine having four adults in the car, it would be utterly laborious getting it up to speed.

PSB1967

394 posts

176 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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I quite like this. A car you can really rev the nuts off at reasonable speeds and will most likely cause you no financial pain in the process. Tyres that are B-road pothole ready and probably cheapish if you do damage one. It doesn't look like a Max Power advert, most people would walk past it without a glance so a bit of a sleeper too. A bit left field but a great shed.

anonymous-user

74 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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waynecyclist said:
Not really, used car market is nuts at the moment with crazy prices being asked
FSH less milage, 200 quid cheaper. This car is worth 1k tops.

they are ten a penny in the midlands.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363460893598?hash=item5...

slightly less milage 1k

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174809261273?hash=item2...

Portofino

4,975 posts

211 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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If you squint at some of the photos it even looks a bit like a breadvan Type R.

apm142001

287 posts

109 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Mr Tidy said:
Well it would certainly pass under the radar for a hot hatch!

But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?

I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.

Now where is my flak-jacket. laugh
The 325 has 35% more torque though (181 lb ft), so even with similar power figures the acceleration is going to be better. Possible that the BMW is geared towards acceleration too.

heisthegaffer

3,991 posts

218 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Stoned said:
133lbs torque... damn! rofl
Imagine having four adults in the car, it would be utterly laborious getting it up to speed.
I remember me and 3 other chaps in my 182 and it felt very slow. I got a lot of stick from one pal about that.

rastapasta

2,331 posts

158 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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heisthegaffer said:
Stoned said:
133lbs torque... damn! rofl
Imagine having four adults in the car, it would be utterly laborious getting it up to speed.
I remember me and 3 other chaps in my 182 and it felt very slow. I got a lot of stick from one pal about that.
Was he fat?? you could have turned it around on him very easily if he was.

I had one of these. They never die. I sold it with the clutch cooked at 130,000km. Garage man wasnt too bothered, think it was on a low loader bound for eastern europe a few weeks later.

RoperWilliams

49 posts

60 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Stoned said:
133lbs torque... damn! rofl
Imagine having four adults in the car, it would be utterly laborious getting it up to speed.
That’s not how it works. Gearing is a torque multiplier. Although the peak flywheel torque is 133lbs , it has a lot more mean torque, at the wheels than say a diesel with 130bhp and 233lbs of torque.

We had one of these briefly and a Golf mk4 130 tdi. The Corolla would literally destroy the Golf at any speed in any gear. It pulled hard from 35mph in fourth .

Low geared and plot the torque on a graph accelerating through the gears and the mean torque is greater than the golf.

Lower gears and a power band of 2000rpm to 8200rpm is the other reason.

The 0-60 that one comic achieved with two adults plus luggage and test gear was still sub 7 to 60. They do, even the better specced facelift models, handle like a boat so those 4 adults would probably vomit before they moaned about it’s torque.


Edited by RoperWilliams on Friday 27th August 08:41

cerb4.5lee

39,993 posts

200 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Stoned said:
133lbs torque... damn! rofl
Imagine having four adults in the car, it would be utterly laborious getting it up to speed.
Going up steep hills would certainly be a challenge I reckon! biggrin

I remember seeing a few of these at car shows at the time and I quite liked their rarity. I looked up the performance figures though and then decided that they were a waste of time to be fair. They aren't for me.

Howard-

4,964 posts

222 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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I drove a Celica with the same engine once, and I was extremely underwhelmed. It may develop almost as much headline power as the EP3 Type R but it has none of the 'fizz' and excitement and feel, or flexibility in lower revs.

RoperWilliams

49 posts

60 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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cerb4.5lee said:
Stoned said:
133lbs torque... damn! rofl
Imagine having four adults in the car, it would be utterly laborious getting it up to speed.
Going up steep hills would certainly be a challenge I reckon! biggrin

I remember seeing a few of these at car shows at the time and I quite liked their rarity. I looked up the performance figures though and then decided that they were a waste of time to be fair. They aren't for me.
They quoted the 60 as 8.4 but it’s like under 7.
Without sounding like an apologist for the car, it was a hardcore engine in a rather pipe and slippers chassis.