not the registered keeper of vehicle

[samstorey31]

hi i need some advice please i sold my car back on 30th jan this year to a person i did not get any contact details i gave him the v5c without thinking as it was the first time i had sold anything i informed dvla about this through a letter a few months later confirming i am no longer the keeper and an acknowledgement notice to say it too but back in may the person i sold it to has been fined for a traffick offence and now i am having problems with enforcement officers knocking on my door i have shown them the letter from the dvla saying i am not but the man said i am still liable to pay the debt as the letter has been sent to me after the offence occurred and it is too late and i have also been told that i need to prove that i am not the registered keeper by giving them the name and address of the person i sold the car to which i do not have is there another way around this so i do not have items removed from my property

[Mammasaid]

samstorey31 said:

hi i need some advice please i sold my car back on 30th Jan this year to a person i did not get any contact details.

I gave him the v5c without thinking as it was the first time i had sold anything.

I informed dvla about this through a letter, a few months later confirming i am no longer the keeper and an acknowledgement notice to say it too.

Back in may the person i sold it to has been fined for a traffic offence and now i am having problems with enforcement officers knocking on my door.

I have shown them the letter from the dvla saying I am not the owner, but the man said i am still liable to pay the debt as the letter has been sent to me after the offence occurred and it is too late.

I have also been told that i need to prove that I am not the registered keeper by giving them the name and address of the person I sold the car to which I do not have.

Is there another way around this so I do not have items removed from my property?

Adding punctuation so that OP's post can be read.

[Pica-Pica]

Mammasaid said:

samstorey31 said:

hi i need some advice please i sold my car back on 30th Jan this year to a person i did not get any contact details.

I gave him the v5c without thinking as it was the first time i had sold anything.

I informed dvla about this through a letter, a few months later confirming i am no longer the keeper and an acknowledgement notice to say it too.

Back in may the person i sold it to has been fined for a traffic offence and now i am having problems with enforcement officers knocking on my door.

I have shown them the letter from the dvla saying I am not the owner, but the man said i am still liable to pay the debt as the letter has been sent to me after the offence occurred and it is too late.

I have also been told that i need to prove that I am not the registered keeper by giving them the name and address of the person I sold the car to which I do not have.

Is there another way around this so I do not have items removed from my property?

Adding punctuation so that OP's post can be read.

DVLA in capitals, I not consistently capitalised, may should be May.
‘.. to whom I sold the car’.
.. and so on.

If correcting, do it all or nothing.

[Mammasaid]

Pica-Pica said:

DVLA in capitals, I not consistently capitalised, may should be May.
‘.. to whom I sold the car’.
.. and so on.

If correcting, do it all or nothing.

Hiss off

[Starfighter]

You sold the vehicle and informed DVLA in January. The offence post dates the sale and is not your last ability. The debt collectors have no right to pursue you.

Your problem will be convincing the debt collectors of the above. The debt collector is only interested in being paid. It also looks like they are asking you to do all the work for them. You are not responsible for the vehicle after you sold it. You do not have to provide the debt collector with information on who purchased the vehicle.

Edited by Starfighter on Monday 27th September 17:14

[samstorey31]

does it really matter wether i put capital letters in my post or not as long as you can read it and just for the record ps off begins with CAPITAL P NOT A CAPITAL H so do one.

[samstorey31]

thankyou starfighter for your answer

[otolith]

You don't get debt collectors after you for a traffic offence. Do you mean a parking ticket? From a private parking company?

Just give them the facts.

[Deranged Rover]

samstorey31 said:

does it really matter wether i put capital letters in my post or not as long as you can read it and just for the record ps off begins with CAPITAL P NOT A CAPITAL H so do one.

Capital 'D' at the beginning.
It's spelled "whether", not "wether"
'i' should be capitalised when referring to yourself
Question mark after 'it'
Capital 'A' for the 'and' after this
No double space before 'CAPITAL P'
Comma after CAPITAL H

Ah, grammar and punctuation. The difference between not knowing your st, and not knowing you're st.

[Chubbyross]

samstorey31 said:

does it really matter wether i put capital letters in my post or not as long as you can read it and just for the record ps off begins with CAPITAL P NOT A CAPITAL H so do one.

In answer to your question, yes it does matter. I gave up reading after a few seconds. Punctuation helps enormously.

[samstorey31]

No I sold the car in January.but told the DVLA in July explaining to them what had Happened then i Recieved a letter from them in August telling me that I am no longer viable. I showed the letter to the Enforcement Officer who came this morning. and he said that the Offence was done in May so showing him the letter did not make any Difference at all I am still liable According to them.

[Starfighter]

He is wrong. All he cares about is being paid.

[Mandat]

samstorey31 said:

No I sold the car in January.but told the DVLA in July explaining to them what had Happened then i Recieved a letter from them in August telling me that I am no longer viable. I showed the letter to the Enforcement Officer who came this morning. and he said that the Offence was done in May so showing him the letter did not make any Difference at all I am still liable According to them.

The offence occurred in May, and you were still the Registered Keeper until July / August.

Unfortunately, it look like you are bang to rights, as you were the RK at the material time, due to your lack of due diligence.

If I was in your situation, I would fight this as far as possible, but I suspect that the debt collectors won't be satisfied unless you give them chapter & verse on the new owner / RK.

Also, do you know whether the debt collectors are currently just chasing for payment, or do they already have a CCJ to enforce?

[samstorey31]

No Otolith I Meant Enforcement officers not Debt Collectors.

[anonymous-user]

Enforcement officers don't just turn up out of the blue, didn't you have any letters regarding the fine?

Talking to the enforcement officers will be a waste of time. If they don't collect, they don't get paid. Contact whoever issued the fine/invoice/charge, inform them that you're disputing it and why.

[OverSteery]

Surely the RK is not liable anyway? The driver is responsible. Does the RK have a legal obligation to know who was driving?

[MB140]

Starfighter said:

You sold the vehicle and informed DVLA in January. The offence post dates the sale and is not your last ability. The debt collectors have no right to pursue you.

Your problem will be convincing the debt collectors of the above. The debt collector is only interested in being paid. It also looks like they are asking you to do all the work for them. You are not responsible for the vehicle after you sold it. You do not have to provide the debt collector with information on who purchased the vehicle.

Edited by Starfighter on Monday 27th September 17:14

Politely ask the debt collection officer (through a chained door if possible so they can’t force there way in) if he can provide a copy of the court order.

Because as far as I am aware the debt collection officer can’t do diddly st until it’s been to court and you have been found guilty and even then you would need to have failed to have paid the fine within 30 days as well.

What have you actually done to get a fine. I’m assuming it’s a parking offence. If they genuinely have no court order call the police and politely explain to them that you have evidence that you were not the keeper, you believe the debt collection agency don’t have the relevant court order to be in your property and (as they will no doubt be intimidating you to pay) they are acting in an aggressive manner and your feeling threatened.

Hopefully with a bit of luck the police will attend and tell them to jog on.

(Above advice comes from one of those can’t pay take it away tv shows where the collection people got there arses handed to them in this manner so take it with a pinch of salt)

[Bemmer]

charltjr said:

Enforcement officers don't just turn up out of the blue, didn't you have any letters regarding the fine?

Exactly...? Another NEW Poster with a DRAMA Story ...! What a SUPRISE....? Troll Troll Troll.. Why Why Why.. ?

[anonymous-user]

I had something similar where I sold my car to a trader. He asked for the V5 and I thought nothing of it.

A few months down the line am in court disputing a speed camera ticket. I was able to prove it wasnt me driving (by receipt of a cash withdrawal at an ATM 30 miles away 2mins before the offence luckily).

However, I still got done for failing to provide details of a driver. 6 points and £300 fine. MS90. Learnt my lesson the hard way

[Mandat]

MB140 said:

What have you actually done to get a fine. I’m assuming it’s a parking offence. If they genuinely have no court order call the police and politely explain to them that you have evidence that you were not the keeper, you believe the debt collection agency don’t have the relevant court order to be in your property and (as they will no doubt be intimidating you to pay) they are acting in an aggressive manner and your feeling threatened.

The only problem with that is the OP has already confirmed that they were the RK at the time of the claimed offence.