RE: Toyota invokes LFA 'secret sauce' at EV unveil
RE: Toyota invokes LFA 'secret sauce' at EV unveil
Wednesday 15th December 2021

Toyota invokes LFA 'secret sauce' at EV unveil

Toyota has revealed 15 future models all at once - but it's the two sports car concepts which are interesting



You never quite know what you're going to get with this Lexus. This is the company that launched one of the 21st century's seminal supercars and whatever the CT200h is within two years of each other, don't forget. The LC500 is one of the best-looking cars on the road, which is not a compliment you'd necessary level at anything else in the lineup. And did you know there's a Lexus ES?

With the days of the sporting V8 Lexuses, however good they are, surely numbered, a new electric sports car concept has been revealed. Part of Toyota's sprawling electrification launch, with 15 concepts debuted and the promise of 30 new EVs by the end of the decade, the Electrified Sport promises "the secret sauce" of "the performance cultivated via the development of the LFA." Plainly Lexus isn't done with supercars just yet!

It certainly looks the part, with hints of Aston Vulcan thanks to the long nose and slender headlights. An aggressive aero package, low ride height, huge wheels tucked up in the arches and even a tow rope point suggest a high level of intent for the Electrified Sport. This could be the EV for enthusiasts that hasn't materialised just yet. "We will deliver a unique electrified Lexus that combines linear motor acceleration/deceleration, brake feeling and exhilarating handling to further pursue the joy of driving", said Akio Toyoda.



Lexus is promising a 0-62mph time "in the low 2 second range" for this car, with a cruising range in excess of 700km (435 miles) as well; apparently the use of solid state batteries - so frequently cited as the next big step for electric vehicles - is "possible". Regardless of powertrain, we're told to expect "the unique driving performance of a Lexus", which seems a tough one to pin down given the hit and miss nature of the current range. The overall message though is clear enough: battery electric vehicles are its future, but there are going to be interesting cars as well. The secret sauce "will extend the driving taste... to other models", added Toyoda.

Toyota isn't letting Lexus to do all the fun stuff, though, as its future lineup also includes a Sports EV. With everything from a Pickup to a Compact Cruiser to a Micro Box also shown in Brussels, there isn't loads dedicated to its concept of a future sports car. But there's a GR badge nestled into the grille, a mid-engined silhouette to mark it out from the Lexus, and some dramatic surfacing to ensure it looks like no other Toyota concept. A rebirth of the MR2 has been suggested - the GR MR perhaps - a conclusion it's hard to avoid when you spy the targa roof. Wouldn't matter if there was no luggage space, either, as that's MR2 tradition...

Predictably, Toyota's early investment in electrification is continuing to pay dividends; the giant carmaker reckons it will have sold 3.5m BEVs by 2030. Lexus is aiming for a "100 per cent battery electric mix in Europe, North America and China by 2030", with carbon neutrality in factories not far behind. By 2035, all Toyotas in West Europe will be zero emissions. If they look as good as the Electrified Sport - and drive as advertised - that certainly won't be all bad.





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kmpowell

Original Poster:

3,350 posts

247 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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PH said:
Toyota has revealed 15 future models all at once

Just me...? confused


Jon_S_Rally

4,140 posts

107 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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There are some pretty ugly cars in amongst that lot.

I still hope that someone does an EV that actually ticks some of the enthusiast boxes in terms of driver engagement. Toyoda is a real car nut, so hopefully he will be the one to make it happen.

Mark_Blanchard

994 posts

274 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Electrified Sport, what an imaginative name. Still looks very nice indeed.

DeanHelix

135 posts

174 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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The yellow/orange car could be a new MR2?

romac

608 posts

165 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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A BEVY of new models then!


kmpowell said:
PH said:
Toyota has revealed 15 future models all at once

Just me...? confused

Dunno! Perhaps because the BZ4X has already been revealed?

Bobtherallyfan

1,448 posts

97 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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DeanHelix said:
The yellow/orange car could be a new MR2?
As someone who has had an MR2 of some description in the garage since 1988, I do hope you are right.

Petrolism

462 posts

125 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Akio Toyoda is known to have resisted Toyota producing electric cars, because they know they're not the future. Look at all the Hydrogen Fuel Cell patents Toyota holds, and their investment into such, notwithstanding that Toyota / Lexus are market leaders in Hybrid technology (The first production Prius was produced in 1997). I wouldn't put much faith in Toyota following in the footsteps of say, Volvo or Tesla. The global infrastructure (or even in Japan) to support the existence of so many electric cars is simply non-existent.

LotusOmega375D

8,971 posts

172 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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“Secret sauce” kind of reminds me of “Gentleman’s Relish”.

TheMilkyBarKid

790 posts

48 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Jon_S_Rally said:
There are some pretty ugly cars in amongst that lot.

I still hope that someone does an EV that actually ticks some of the enthusiast boxes in terms of driver engagement. Toyoda is a real car nut, so hopefully he will be the one to make it happen.
True, but there are some that look pretty good to my eyes too, and at least they aren’t all SUVs which is encouraging. I like the thought of a BEV MR2 type small sports car for the 2020’s.

TUS373

4,995 posts

300 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Wow! They have been busy.

What a comprehensive line up. I like Toyoda's enthusiasm for what he does. As said above, he is a bonkers car nut. Toyota make excellent products that work, work well and last. The quality is more than skin deep. Perhaps not seen as the most exciting cars in the world, but when they build a supercar, you can be confident that it is not made of chocolate. I would love to open my garage and see that range in there. A car for every purpose, pretty much. Let's hope this is the future and we can look forward to these from an innovative and robust company with the resources to deliver.

big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

213 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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I'm really looking forward to Lexus producing any kind of BEV, but in particular, something I can use for my family / daily driver. Lexus is synonymous with high quality. I'd love them to do a Plaid-killer.

Andy83n

587 posts

81 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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TheMilkyBarKid said:
True, but there are some that look pretty good to my eyes too, and at least they aren’t all SUVs which is encouraging. I like the thought of a BEV MR2 type small sports car for the 2020’s.
TBH, the 'SUVs' 2nd from left & 2nd from right on the bck row look the most interesting of all 16 vehicles

WCZ

11,220 posts

213 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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really like the yellow thing

British Beef

2,561 posts

184 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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There is a bread van and a golf buggy in there as well.

Good on Lexus for following their own path with some different design concepts, that actually look good and unlike other cars on the road.

Much more adventurous than the Audi / BMW approach of late.


98elise

30,695 posts

180 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Petrolism said:
Akio Toyoda is known to have resisted Toyota producing electric cars, because they know they're not the future. Look at all the Hydrogen Fuel Cell patents Toyota holds, and their investment into such, notwithstanding that Toyota / Lexus are market leaders in Hybrid technology (The first production Prius was produced in 1997). I wouldn't put much faith in Toyota following in the footsteps of say, Volvo or Tesla. The global infrastructure (or even in Japan) to support the existence of so many electric cars is simply non-existent.
He's not doing a very good job of resisting it!

Toyota have tiny sales targets for Hydrogen, and even in their biggest market (USA) sales are declining year on year.

Hydrogen is just an energy store and consumes 3x the energy of a BEV so where is the infrastructure for that?



Bill

56,527 posts

274 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Andy83n said:
TBH, the 'SUVs' 2nd from left & 2nd from right on the bck row look the most interesting of all 16 vehicles
yes Although the blue one on the left is just an FJ. The two commercial vehicles (I assume the little one is...) on the right at the back are the most innovative.

TUS373

4,995 posts

300 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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98elise said:
He's not doing a very good job of resisting it!

Toyota have tiny sales targets for Hydrogen, and even in their biggest market (USA) sales are declining year on year.

Hydrogen is just an energy store and consumes 3x the energy of a BEV so where is the infrastructure for that?
I think Toyota has his eyes on the future with fuels coming into play after batteries. Fuel cell technology is developing rapidly with potential to move large vehicles such as lorries. Vehicles will still have an electric drive train, it is more about packaging electricity which is difficult with batteries. Fuel cells will be efficient, the product from the vehicle will be water, and they can be refuelled quickly. Agreed, the infrastructure is not here with us at the moment, but without developing the fuel cell technology, there will ne no need for that infrastructure. It was not too long ago that EV chargers were a novelty. I am not saying Toyota have this right, but they are a far thinking company. My Lexus hybrid is 12 years old - compared to many, I adopted hybrid ages ago. Most large motor manufacturers are marketing EVs and hybrids as if they have just discovered them, when the likes of Toyota and Honda have been doing it for ages.

Some years ago, I was working on a project where Morgan (yes, Morgan!) were dabbling with the concept of hydrogen power. One thing is for sure, hydrogen is probably still safer than driving around with a nuclear reactor in the boot!

Six Potter

5,987 posts

232 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Well, this one seems to look pretty good at least. Seems like something of a shame that it won't have a screaming V10 under that long bonnet though.

Itsallicanafford

2,884 posts

178 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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cheeky, I had a ES for 3 years, its a good car.

But now I drive a Tesla Model 3 as Lexus simply do not have the product available at the moment. The tech in the Tesla makes the Lexus look like something from the dark ages, good that they are finally getting their act together...



hyphen

26,262 posts

109 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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With the advent of EV cars, one hoped that car design would radically be pushed on due to not having to put an engine up front.

15 concept cars Toyota have made, and the BMW i3 is more adventurous than any of them...

What's the point of having Concept cars and not pushing the boat out.