RE: Audi Q5 Sportback Dakar Special | PH Review
RE: Audi Q5 Sportback Dakar Special | PH Review
Monday 10th January 2022

Audi Q5 Sportback Dakar Special | PH Review

Find out what you need to make a school run Q5 45 TFSI work on the Dakar dunes...



Unfortunately, the PH coffers didn't stretch to a full Dakar Rally entry this year. Oh well. Bit of a shame, but obviously you can't have everything you want in life. Nevertheless, we did make it out on the Dakar dunes, courtesy of Audi. The manufacturer is competing this year with three RS Q e-tron cars (more on that in the coming days), and therefore found itself in need of something suitably robust to spirit bigwigs and journalists between stages. A selection of specially adapted Q5 45 TFSI Sportbacks resulted, made by Holzer, a rally and race car firm based in Augsburg. The project leader was Mario Weber, and together we chatted through the changes he's made before taking a car out to learn the art of driving on sand.

Because they're intended to run on the Dakar course, these Q5s must conform to FIA race route standards, which aren't as strict as the race-fit regs. It was a surprise to learn that the Q5's factory air suspension was deemed strong and capable enough for what's required; there isn't even a sump protector, although when the suspension is raised the ground clearance is considered up to par. That said, these are a work in progress. Weber said they'll assess the cars when they're back at base, and if there's more damage underneath than expected, they'll beef up the underbody protection for next year. That's when they intend to run the cars along the entire course - for now, it's just the odd stage.

The standard wheels and tyres had to be swapped for 18-inch Momos shod with 255/18 BFGoodrich All-Terrain KO2 tyres. On the road sections, the pressures are set to 3.5 bar, which is reduced to just 1.0 bar on the sand. I thought the huge sidewalls would add a little bit the ride height, but apparently not - the combined tyre and wheel diameter is the same as a standard 20-inch rim fitted with regular low-profile rubber.



Strapped to the roof is a selection of get-out-of-dune-free cards. This paraphernalia includes a shovel to dig yourself out, sand boards to stick under the tyres for extra traction, a spare wheel (there are two - the other's inside) and two storage boxes. These contain items like tow ropes, although there's no winch because you haven't got a lot to tie onto in the desert. Instead, the cars are sent out in groups, so someone should be able pull you out if required. There's also a high-lift sand jack. This will raise the car on soft sand if you need to swap a wheel, but it'll also right the car if you roll it. Weber said you literally prop it against the bodywork, so it'll destroy the side of the car, but better that than sitting under the blazing desert sun pondering the design of an upturned MLB Evo chassis. There's an LED lightbar mounted to the front of the roof rack and two LED 'working' lights at the back.

There are many more changes inside. For a start, there are two Recaro racing bucket seats with full harnesses mounted to an FIA approved roll cage. It makes getting in and out tricky - put it this way, it reminded me I need to take up yoga to gain some flexibility. The back seats have been ditched for the other spare wheel, two FIA fire extinguishers and two water butts - it's a requirement to have five litres of water onboard for each occupant. There's also a cool box, although snacks aren't an FIA stipulation.

The two digital boxes in front of the passenger are for the race organisers to monitor the car and for navigation. The top one is a Tripy GPS that, like the race cars, receives the Dakar route map on the evening before the stage is run - the route map is kept hush-hush for as long as possible, to stop competitors doing a recce and making pace note. There's no map, though. All you get is the distance and direction to the next waypoint and, when you arrive, an instruction on which way to go next. It's up to you to find the path of least resistance between each way point across the never-ending expanse of sand. The Tripy box also monitors speed. The car is limited to 75mph (Dakar Rally cars are limited to 106mph), and if you exceed that for more than 30 seconds the driver is imposed with a fine - around 500 euros seemed to be the going rate. Weber says you wouldn't want to go much faster, though. With the off-road tyres on loose sand there's not a lot of straight-line stability at speed.



Underneath the Tripy GPS is a satellite phone and tracker made by Iritrack. It's for two-way communication - driver to officials and vice versa - and only for medical emergencies, not for breakdowns. If the car stops for more than two minutes, race control is alerted and rings through to check everything is okay. So if you sojourn for a comfort break, it's best to remember to hit the green button that tells them all's well. Otherwise, some official people get cross, which probably means another fine.

Right, so on to the driving bit. Setting off into the dunes, the first requirement is sticking the car in off-road mode and turning off all the electronic gubbins - lane assist, ESP and traction control etc. That means you won't limit the 45 TFSI 2.0-litre's free-revving capability, which you want at the ready to keep moving. That's the one of the golden rules of driving on sand - maintain forward momentum at all costs. A steady throttle is best, with well-judged speed: too fast and you risk taking off and landing with a bang; too slow and you'll sink.

A top tip for climbing dunes is follow the direction of the wind. The wind does two things: it carries the sand up the gradient, shallowing the angle of accent, and it compacts the terrain. Go the other side and the climb will be steeper and the going softer, and the chance of making it to the top slips away like grains of sand through fingers. As you approach the summit, cross the peak diagonally - to reduce the chance of bottoming out - and then stop, but only once the bulk of the car's over the precipice. You can never tell how steep the drop will be, so it's due diligence to check it's not more than you bargained for, and you need gravity on your side to get going again. If you stop on an upward incline, you're almost certainly going to dig in.



It's best to attack really steep gradients at 45 degrees and don't let the car slide sideways - once it goes you risk dragging a tyre off the rim or, worse still, rolling and having to get the sand jack out. And nobody wants that, especially Weber. If it does start sliding sideways, steer the car so it's pointing straight down the slope and pray you can stop it. The other rule is to avoid clumps of camel grass like they're Semtex. This is generally the only vegetation you see in these parts and it's perfect for hiding rocks that could rip the suspension off. Even the best get caught out, as reigning Dakar champion, Stéphane Peterhansel proved. He ran through camel grass on Stage 1. It promptly ripped off the entire left rear corner off his Audi RS Q e-tron and that was him out of contention this year.

Weber was right when he said the car moves around a hell of a lot on the sand. Without any steering input it wriggles like a snake and he says the trick is to "let the car find its own way." In other words, don't correct it unless it goes full-on sideways. When you want it to turn, the steering response is pretty lax so a quick lift starts the rear moving and turns the car quicker. Another trick to get the car rotating is clip the smaller dunes like you would an inside kerb at Brands Hatch. This pushes the weight onto the outside wheels for more bite. It's all about understanding the terrain, using it to your advantage and, above all, always respecting it. Weber summed it up as "surf the sand like it's a wave," which marks him down a poet and a talented engineer. He was also a thoroughly lovely bloke and infectiously enthusiastic. I liked him a lot, and his dune buggy







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Nick928

Original Poster:

362 posts

171 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Could there be a less appropriate vehicle to carry the Dakar name?

sean ie3

2,878 posts

152 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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I don't know about appropriate but someone had Rolls Corniche FHC built for the 1981 Paris-Dakar and called It 'Jules'. laugh

mackie1

8,168 posts

249 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Nick928 said:
Could there be a less appropriate vehicle to carry the Dakar name?
While not as burly as a Grenadier this is still a proper platform (I.e. longitudinal layout) with a proper AWD system, so yes there are much less appropriate vehicles than this.

cookie1600

2,250 posts

177 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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sean ie3 said:
I don't know about appropriate but someone had Rolls Corniche FHC built for the 1981 Paris-Dakar and called It 'Jules'. laugh
Jules was a perfume brand sponsoring the car, which had a tube frame construction with fibreglass panels, a Chevy smallblock and a Toyota 4 speed manual. The only genuine Rolls Royce parts IIRC were the grill, brightwork, dash and wooden door cappings.

blueST

4,664 posts

232 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Loving the Hi-Lift jack on the roof, which is practically unusable on a modern car unless you don't mind trashing the body.

Demonix

677 posts

228 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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So basically throw some knobblier tyres at a q5 and strap a load of crap to it's roof, big whoop and completely underwhelming. Next ...

sean ie3

2,878 posts

152 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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cookie1600 said:
sean ie3 said:
I don't know about appropriate but someone had Rolls Corniche FHC built for the 1981 Paris-Dakar and called It 'Jules'. laugh
Jules was a perfume brand sponsoring the car, which had a tube frame construction with fibreglass panels, a Chevy smallblock and a Toyota 4 speed manual. The only genuine Rolls Royce parts IIRC were the grill, brightwork, dash and wooden door cappings.
Yes, quite an achievement brought to being in a small amount of time most likely, my first thought was the never ending wait for a new TVR.

benzinbob

750 posts

72 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Demonix said:
So basically throw some knobblier tyres at a q5 and strap a load of crap to it's roof, big whoop and completely underwhelming. Next ...
A standard Q5 with knobblier tyres and a load of ste strapped to its roof thats able to take on the Dakar. That’s impressive, end of.

Shiv_P

2,970 posts

121 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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I think it's pretty impressive that a standard Q5 with standard suspension can do this. Very impressive in fact

big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

210 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Really am wondering about real world relevance here. I know this is PH, and with enough degrees of separation we'll find someone, but honestly, how big a market is there for this??? Because I can honestly say, in the last 30 years, I have never taken ANY car through that course, let alone one like this.

Manic Street Sleeper

1,173 posts

57 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Maybe good for parking on the beach at Watergate Bay while the kids go off bodyboarding.

bluesierra

153 posts

112 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Obviously (sadly) this has little relevance to my daily driving, and I'm as unlikely to drive one of these as the Dakar is to, well, go back to Dakar...

But it's still a good read, entertaining, and sounds like great fun driving. My only complaint is I'd like to see more of the high-lift jack, having never seen one in action 😄

Sandpit Steve

13,009 posts

90 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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bluesierra said:
Obviously (sadly) this has little relevance to my daily driving, and I'm as unlikely to drive one of these as the Dakar is to, well, go back to Dakar...

But it's still a good read, entertaining, and sounds like great fun driving. My only complaint is I'd like to see more of the high-lift jack, having never seen one in action ??
The Hi-Lift jack will save your life, if you have a puncture or a rollover in the desert - but as others have said, you need to have hard jacking points on the car otherwise you’ll be trashing the bodywork, not that you’ll care too much, if you’re stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Have an enthusiastic Australian demonstrate it in action. https://youtube.com/watch?v=6dFpxDdcZqg

Jon_S_Rally

3,971 posts

104 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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big_rob_sydney said:
Really am wondering about real world relevance here. I know this is PH, and with enough degrees of separation we'll find someone, but honestly, how big a market is there for this??? Because I can honestly say, in the last 30 years, I have never taken ANY car through that course, let alone one like this.
Why does there need to be a market? These are support vehicles. I don't think they're trying to sell anything, just use them to follow the rally about and show off the fact that the Q5 can do off-road stuff.

re33

314 posts

180 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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big_rob_sydney said:
Really am wondering about real world relevance here. I know this is PH, and with enough degrees of separation we'll find someone, but honestly, how big a market is there for this??? Because I can honestly say, in the last 30 years, I have never taken ANY car through that course, let alone one like this.
I assume you are joking? This car is not for sale at your local Audi dealership and will not be.

skidskid

312 posts

157 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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big_rob_sydney said:
Really am wondering about real world relevance here. I know this is PH, and with enough degrees of separation we'll find someone, but honestly, how big a market is there for this??? Because I can honestly say, in the last 30 years, I have never taken ANY car through that course, let alone one like this.
There are markets, just very small ones. I used to work for an engine manufacturer that puts their engines into mining trucks and diggers so traveled to copper/gold mines all over the world. The more remote ones, especially in south america, have their own private roads across the wilderness to get to them and its a sandy track in lots of cases. You arent allowed to drive yourself there and have to use local approved taxi's which have to have off road tyres and roll cages fitted. Most people use Kia/Hyundai SUV's but the posh firms use german ones.

So there you go, a market. This is just a dakar support vehicle though so the point is to sell to people like you who just use it on road by saying "we did the dakar route in it so you wont destroy it by parking on a kerb when dropping the kids off at school".

Ranger 6

7,372 posts

265 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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big_rob_sydney said:
Really am wondering about real world relevance here. I know this is PH, and with enough degrees of separation we'll find someone, but honestly, how big a market is there for this??? Because I can honestly say, in the last 30 years, I have never taken ANY car through that course, let alone one like this.
Real world relevance and the degrees of separation aren't that far apart - it's not a big market, but I need an SUV which won't fall apart over sustained use on rough terrain. It also had to be able to take the kids to school during the week.

My old X3 did more than an entire British Rally Championship over the years - it was just what was required and with a change of tyres, proved to be quite agile on the gravel.

Bencolem

1,129 posts

255 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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I'd imagine all of that sand would play havoc with the MMI...!

loskie

6,342 posts

136 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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would Audi complain if I did that to my lease car?

Jon_S_Rally

3,971 posts

104 months

Wednesday 12th January 2022
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Ranger 6 said:
Real world relevance and the degrees of separation aren't that far apart - it's not a big market, but I need an SUV which won't fall apart over sustained use on rough terrain. It also had to be able to take the kids to school during the week.

My old X3 did more than an entire British Rally Championship over the years - it was just what was required and with a change of tyres, proved to be quite agile on the gravel.
Massive thumbs up. I do love a good rally course car/officials car that's 100% OEM apart from some proper tyres. It's a great look, especially if there are some inappropriate rally-style wheels on it too.