RE: Daimler Double Six | The Brave Pill
RE: Daimler Double Six | The Brave Pill
Saturday 15th January 2022

Daimler Double Six | The Brave Pill

Double the pleasure - or double the pain?



The 12-cylinder saloon is an endangered species. Four of the five manufacturers who still produce them have confirmed they won't be doing so for much longer - Audi, Bentley, BMW and Rolls-Royce. Leaving only Mercedes, which - despite featuring a V12 in the recently launched S-Class - is likely to join the exodus as the end of combustion approaches.

Yet some other members of this ultra-exclusive club resigned their memberships long ago. Jaguar had combined V12 power with four-door practicality before any of the manufacturers listed above except Rolls-Royce, yet produced its last example when New Labour was still shiny and new - and John Prescott was newly installed as deputy Prime Minister.

That non sequitur has got the PH house drummer cued for a rimshot. Because the one-time member of parliament for Hull East latterly became famous for owning two Jags - but here's one that could have saved him the trouble. A Daimler Double Six has to be twice as nice as a common-or-garden XJ, am I right?

Badum tizz!


Before you go to get your sides stitched, calm yourself down with a brief consideration of the history of the Daimler name, one which is both mildly interesting and highly confusing. Founded in 1896, the British-based Daimler Motor Company bought rights to use the name from Gottlieb Daimler and his German firm. Perhaps fittingly, considering the history of Anglo-German relations during the first half of the 20th century, Daimler became a subsidiary of the Birmingham Small Arms company in 1910, and was then acquired by Jaguar in 1960. Meanwhile, in Deutschland, Daimler Moteren Gesellschaft merged with Benz & Co to form Daimler, although its cars are marketed as Mercedes-Benz. Hence two unrelated companies using the same name, although one as a corporate identity, and the other for actual models.

While some pure Daimler models continued to be produced after the Jaguar acquisition these didn't last for long - with the exception of the DS420 limousine, which was used by minor royals, grander municipal mayors and funeral directors into the 1990s. Further down the range Daimler became, effectively, a trim level for the poshest Jaguars.

So when Jaguar brought out the first XJ in 1968 to widespread acclaim there was no surprise when a further upmarket Daimler Sovereign version arrived within a year. And when the Jag made the equally inspired decision to squeeze the V12 that had been developed for the E-Type into the XJ in 1971 the mechanically identical Daimler Double Six followed in similarly short order, its name reviving a badge that had first been used as long ago as 1926.


It was the pinnacle of what was probably the most advanced performance saloon in the world at that point, the XJ12/ Double Six being the only production four-door at the time to feature V12 power. A peak 266hp from the 5.7-litre carb-fed engine might not look like much to modern eyes, but it was sufficient for an 8-second 0-60mph time, despite a three-speed autobox as soggy as a punctured water bed, plus a claimed 140mph top speed.

Daimler versions were marketed alongside XJs for the next three decades, offered for substantial premiums and selling in far smaller volumes. By the early 1980s demand had fallen far enough that Jaguar dropped Daimler branding in Europe, only to bring it back shortly afterwards when continental buyers started ordering the distinctive fluted radiator grilles and badges from the UK to unofficially convert their cars to full Daimler spec. The company clearly thought Americans would struggle with the subtleties of understanding Daimler v. Daimler, so the same models were marketed over there with Vanden Plas branding.

Although the V12 had been tweaked and tuned through the years, it was struggling to stay competitive against more modern rivals; the very success of the earlier versions was the main reason Mercedes, BMW and ultimately Audi all started to make their own 12-pot saloons. In its ultimate 6.0-litre format as fitted to the X300 XJ it was producing 320hp, a figure which was comprehensively outgunned by the Ford-engineered supercharged V8 that was first fitted to the successor X308. Daimler branding survived a while longer, being quietly dropped when the X350 XJ received its final facelift in 2007. The badge has been gathering dust in JLR's corporate branding drawer ever since.


Our Pill is doubly blessed as both a Daimler and a V12, in this case a 1996 X300 that has covered 136,000 miles in the last 26 years. All of which, according to the advert, have been in the care of a single owner. The combination of what the DVLA regards as beige - more metallic sand in the pictures - and a magnolia interior is very much off its time. But you could also argue that makes it a valuable historic document. Although there is evidence of wear and discolouration in some of the interior shots, although the walnut picnic tables that fold from the front seat backs look barely used, the available angles of the outside show paint that looks crisp and even. You've got to love a car that comes with its original factory tool kit in addition to what seems to be a full set of original sale documentation.

The MOT history gives more cause for optimism. The last test expired in November, but the dealer promises a fresh one with the sale. The record confirms that mileage accumulation has been done gently in recent years, the car having added just 15,000 miles since 2006, but also has a couple of gaps that suggest it has been laid up for periods. But while there have been advisories and failures, none have been for anything too scary: what seems to be a broken Lambda probe, an excessively worn suspension ball joint and a graunching wheel bearing are the worst of it. There is no mention at all of corrosion, something which can get its teeth into X300s, although potential buyers will probably want to do their own in-person research on that score.

In another first for the column, our Pill is also being offered with the ageless private plate it wears included in the asking price. The dealer's assertion that this is worth £1,500 is necessarily untested; it may well be if your name is Harry Edge and you were born in November 1944. But it's always nice to have something extra thrown in. For £6,995 it looks very attractively priced considering the premium often being sought for rarer examples of mainstream cars; it is both the cheapest Daimler and the cheapest car of any sort fitted with a V12 in the classifieds. What do you reckon: double or quits?


See the original ad here



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Discussion

FlukePlay

Original Poster:

1,167 posts

171 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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"although the walnut picnic tables that fold from the front seat backs look barely used"

What would they actually be used for? Don't tell me people actually use these for eating their salmon sarnies and to rest their glass of Pimm's?

Twoshoe

990 posts

210 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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The original XJ12 engine was 5.3 litres, not 5.7.

POIDH

3,307 posts

91 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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The ergonomics of that dash are 'interesting' - how do you get hand around handbrake, stereo behind gear lever, and what the heck is the flat shelf behind steering wheel with all sorts of (BL?) switchgear and rotary switches on...

cookie1600

2,649 posts

187 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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136,000 miles ? That's cost someone some wedge in unleaded!

Wasn't the engine in this version the HE (high efficiency) unit? Maybe that makes the number plate particularly appropriate.

Sheepshanks

39,955 posts

145 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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FlukePlay said:
"although the walnut picnic tables that fold from the front seat backs look barely used"

What would they actually be used for? Don't tell me people actually use these for eating their salmon sarnies and to rest their glass of Pimm's?
The kids use them for McDonald’s drive through.

It’s pretty brave of a dealer to retail this car.

AndySheff

6,883 posts

233 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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For me this is classic Brave Pill.
Tempting. Not too expensive. V12 !
But the ability to empty a bank account at any time if you want to keep it running.
I guess if you can wield a spanner it might not be too bad.

Randy Winkman

21,446 posts

215 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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Sheepshanks said:
FlukePlay said:
"although the walnut picnic tables that fold from the front seat backs look barely used"

What would they actually be used for? Don't tell me people actually use these for eating their salmon sarnies and to rest their glass of Pimm's?
The kids use them for McDonald’s drive through.

It’s pretty brave of a dealer to retail this car.
I had a Vanden Plas Allegro with picnic tables. The purpose is basically for your mates to fold them up and down whilst laughing and saying loudly "Look - picnic tables!"

dunnoreally

1,356 posts

134 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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I'd love one of these, and I'm surprised they're still this cheap, but the thought of actually trying to run it friggin' terrifying.

Top pill, in other words.

sinbaddio

2,802 posts

202 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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FlukePlay said:
"although the walnut picnic tables that fold from the front seat backs look barely used"

What would they actually be used for? Don't tell me people actually use these for eating their salmon sarnies and to rest their glass of Pimm's?
They’re for partaking in a pastime involving a self sealing plastic bag and a credit card I believe

Lester H

4,159 posts

131 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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cookie1600 said:
136,000 miles ? That's cost someone some wedge in unleaded!

Wasn't the engine in this version the HE (high efficiency) unit? Maybe that makes the number plate particularly appropriate.
It's a local plate, Rotherham I think. The mayor has or had one of the best plates extant: THE 1.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,882 posts

206 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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Great Pill. I like these a lot and the engine is a peach. The whole thing is very 'of its time' hence much of its appeal.

tomic

720 posts

171 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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I’d say that £1500 is a reasonable figure for that private plate. Might even be worth a bit more.

waynecyclist

14,259 posts

140 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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I suspect the HE number plate stands for huge expense which is what this will cost to run laugh

waftycranker

223 posts

86 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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I’m not normally a squimish man but the engine bay on these put me about.

E30KB

295 posts

90 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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Never knew there was a Daimler bonnet adornment. Looks lethal !. Dad had a Daimler 4.2 in 1978.

Re picnic tables. Mum used to sit in the back with the picnic hamper and serve up a cuppa from the flask to Dad & I in the front. This was in the 70's before Greggs, Maccy D's and Costa coffee machines in service stations. Oh yeah & before cars had cupholders.

florian

298 posts

300 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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The X305 Double Six is a fantastic car for sure. But as with all Jags of that vintage I would only buy the best I could afford (it will cost you anyway in the long run). And there are definitely much nicer cars around for around 10k GBP. After all, if you drive a classic V12, you want it to be in pristine condition with a fully intact interior, right?

Also, consider the X308 Super V8 as an alternative: Great engine as well and even better looking interior.

emperorburger

1,484 posts

92 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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tomic said:
I’d say that £1500 is a reasonable figure for that private plate. Might even be worth a bit more.
Without the plate, this would be tantalisingly close to a SOTW candidate.

hashluck

1,625 posts

301 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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No mentton of Aston Martin as a current manaufacturer of a V12?

Good Pill though

Edited by hashluck on Saturday 15th January 14:31

Twoshoe

990 posts

210 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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hashluck said:
No mentton of Aston Martin as a current manaufacturer of a V12?
Yes, but the article is all about 4-door V12s and I think they've stopped making the Rapide.

DoubleSix

12,436 posts

202 months

Saturday 15th January 2022
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True story:

I didn’t even know these existed when I chose my user name all those years ago.