How accurate is Howmanyleft.com ?
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I know the claim to use DVLA records, but how accurate is it?
I ask because the figures on a recent purchase seem extremely low. 7 manual and 2 auto for a Volvo 144GL of which 7 are road legal.
There are other models, that also have low numbers, surely more than 9 of the range toppers have survived and a few have been imported?
Just seems too low for a Volvo with the supposed build quality.
Any thoughts?
I ask because the figures on a recent purchase seem extremely low. 7 manual and 2 auto for a Volvo 144GL of which 7 are road legal.
There are other models, that also have low numbers, surely more than 9 of the range toppers have survived and a few have been imported?
Just seems too low for a Volvo with the supposed build quality.
Any thoughts?
The data is based on car salesmen writing any old rubbish on the registration documents, which may or may not bear some relationship to the correct name of the car.
eg. For the Volvo 144 there are DLs, GLs, and plain old '144' models, some of which have appeared out of thin air in 2017.
eg. For the Volvo 144 there are DLs, GLs, and plain old '144' models, some of which have appeared out of thin air in 2017.
Edited by Truckosaurus on Sunday 6th February 15:28
Isn't the issue down to how the data is created, namely "what did the supplying dealer put on the paperwork"?
So several identical cars could be recorded as "Ford Focus", "Ford Focus Ghia", "Ford Focus 1.8", "Ford Focus Ghia 1.8 automatic", "Ford Focus Gia 1.8 automatic" and so on.
If you could set flags to filter the data in other ways it might be more useful - for instance you might find the cars that are loaded as Fiesta RS1800s that are actually Fiesta 1.8 diesels with a bodykit option ticked (if that's what's happened).
ETA beaten to it whilst typing; what he said above me.
So several identical cars could be recorded as "Ford Focus", "Ford Focus Ghia", "Ford Focus 1.8", "Ford Focus Ghia 1.8 automatic", "Ford Focus Gia 1.8 automatic" and so on.
If you could set flags to filter the data in other ways it might be more useful - for instance you might find the cars that are loaded as Fiesta RS1800s that are actually Fiesta 1.8 diesels with a bodykit option ticked (if that's what's happened).
ETA beaten to it whilst typing; what he said above me.
There's lots of info on the homepage with is pertinent:
How Many Left? is a database and search engine of statistics about cars, motorcycles and commercial vehicles registered in the United Kingdom. Data comes directly from the Department for Transport and is regularly updated.
My aim with this website is to make public data more accessible to the average motoring enthusiast. If you have any feedback, or if you spot any errors - please feel free to contact me. My details are at the bottom of every page.
The database gets refreshed roughly once every three months.
Disclaimer
This website is a hobby project and all statistics are provided for entertainment purposes.
Don't use any information presented here to make legal or financial decisions.
If you want to know that you have the last BruvWagon 99 GTi in the UK, then you need to look elsewhere or pay for your info.
How Many Left? is a database and search engine of statistics about cars, motorcycles and commercial vehicles registered in the United Kingdom. Data comes directly from the Department for Transport and is regularly updated.
My aim with this website is to make public data more accessible to the average motoring enthusiast. If you have any feedback, or if you spot any errors - please feel free to contact me. My details are at the bottom of every page.
The database gets refreshed roughly once every three months.
Disclaimer
This website is a hobby project and all statistics are provided for entertainment purposes.
Don't use any information presented here to make legal or financial decisions.
If you want to know that you have the last BruvWagon 99 GTi in the UK, then you need to look elsewhere or pay for your info.
Truckosaurus said:
The data is based on car salesmen writing any old rubbish on the registration documents, which may or may not bear some relationship to the correct name of the car.
eg. For the Volvo 144 there are DLs, GLs, and plain old '144' models, some of which have appeared out of thin air in 2017.
The model designations in the case of the 144 are correct.eg. For the Volvo 144 there are DLs, GLs, and plain old '144' models, some of which have appeared out of thin air in 2017.
Edited by Truckosaurus on Sunday 6th February 15:28
144 only was base model. then DL and GL. With S and E as well, that ties up with Wiki.
It is not always the case though, some cars are quite generic on there. My Vauxhall FB VX4/90 shows low numbers, but I know of more cars than it shows, I think that is a case of poor Log book designation though. I just looked and they no longer list it separately, they did, but now only FB series, and the number seems very low for all FB,s.
Numbers can increase with imports and ones lost in the dvla 1977 change over, I have had 5 of those, increased the numbers of V4 GT Corsair, by 3, with 2 found in lock ups and 1 returned from Ireland.
Wiki says they made over 523000 4 doors, and survival numbers just seem very low for all models, maybe they did not sell well in the UK.
If they are that low, then the 1 year only one I have, 73 facelift with D tronic injection, opening quarterlights, which were both changed for 74, along with the fuel tank and other things, could be a rare beast.
I think it could be well out though, it does seem to be with FB Vauxhalls.
It is terrible.
It is particularly terrible with anything obscure, such as JDM imported stuff - and of course the obscure stuff is what we are interested in.
Case in point - the early Mazda MX-5.
In Europe this is known as (Make Model) Mazda MX-5. A Japanese market car is a Eunos Roadster. An American car is a Mazda Miata. That is it, nothing else.
Within the DVLA system, and thus HowManyLeft, because of the special idiocy employed when importing and registering cars, you will find such variants as:
Mazda Roadster
Eunos MX-5
MX5 Eunos
Mazda Eunos MX5.
MX-5 Roadster.
Miata MX-5
etc etc. All of which are fictional cars that dont exist.
I trust the data on how many left approximately the same as I trust my 3yr old son when I ask if hes remembered to wash his hands after having a wee.
It is particularly terrible with anything obscure, such as JDM imported stuff - and of course the obscure stuff is what we are interested in.
Case in point - the early Mazda MX-5.
In Europe this is known as (Make Model) Mazda MX-5. A Japanese market car is a Eunos Roadster. An American car is a Mazda Miata. That is it, nothing else.
Within the DVLA system, and thus HowManyLeft, because of the special idiocy employed when importing and registering cars, you will find such variants as:
Mazda Roadster
Eunos MX-5
MX5 Eunos
Mazda Eunos MX5.
MX-5 Roadster.
Miata MX-5
etc etc. All of which are fictional cars that dont exist.
I trust the data on how many left approximately the same as I trust my 3yr old son when I ask if hes remembered to wash his hands after having a wee.
HowManyLeft said:
Don't use any information presented here to make legal or financial decisions.
Amusingly the primary usage of HowManyLeft appears to be private sellers of unpopular tat and faux classics, to justify how 'rare' they are. "Last one registered! in Beige,, 4 doors, registered in 1993, GLXi spec with a sunroof. Maybe. "
snotrag said:
It is terrible.
It is particularly terrible with anything obscure, such as JDM imported stuff - and of course the obscure stuff is what we are interested in.
Case in point - the early Mazda MX-5.
In Europe this is known as (Make Model) Mazda MX-5. A Japanese market car is a Eunos Roadster. An American car is a Mazda Miata. That is it, nothing else.
Within the DVLA system, and thus HowManyLeft, because of the special idiocy employed when importing and registering cars, you will find such variants as:
Mazda Roadster
Eunos MX-5
MX5 Eunos
Mazda Eunos MX5.
MX-5 Roadster.
Miata MX-5
etc etc. All of which are fictional cars that dont exist.
I trust the data on how many left approximately the same as I trust my 3yr old son when I ask if hes remembered to wash his hands after having a wee.
Yep, tending to agree, been going through some of my past and present cars, and my 2.8i Capri does not exist, only the 280. It is particularly terrible with anything obscure, such as JDM imported stuff - and of course the obscure stuff is what we are interested in.
Case in point - the early Mazda MX-5.
In Europe this is known as (Make Model) Mazda MX-5. A Japanese market car is a Eunos Roadster. An American car is a Mazda Miata. That is it, nothing else.
Within the DVLA system, and thus HowManyLeft, because of the special idiocy employed when importing and registering cars, you will find such variants as:
Mazda Roadster
Eunos MX-5
MX5 Eunos
Mazda Eunos MX5.
MX-5 Roadster.
Miata MX-5
etc etc. All of which are fictional cars that dont exist.
I trust the data on how many left approximately the same as I trust my 3yr old son when I ask if hes remembered to wash his hands after having a wee.
The corsair V4 gt seems quite accurate though, but not hard with a 1 approx year only car that did not sell well.
shame, it would be good info.
there are quite a few more 164 volvos, and I think I have worked out why, I bet they had Pas.
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