Emissions based charges per hour for parking
Emissions based charges per hour for parking
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untakenname

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5,247 posts

214 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Noticed this sign for the first time today and wondered is this legally enforceable?



Not sure how well thought out this is as it doesn't take into account how many passengers in the car and also how many miles travelled to park.

How many people will know what band their car is in off the top of their head? Most will just chance it on the lowest band I'd have thought.

steveo3002

11,015 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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just to trick /trap people into paying the wrong fee then getting a fine through the post?

vikingaero

12,213 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Apart from breaking down once, and being in traffic, I've never stopped or parked in Lewisham, and have no plans to.

SteveR1979

601 posts

163 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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I have no idea what any of my cars emissions bands are

HasToBeV8

162 posts

110 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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I would imagine it will be legal, as a land owner can set out their rules as they wish, you have no obligation to accept them / park there.

I would assume the parking machine will look up the appropriate category after you enter your reg plate, so I would assume the user won't have to know this.

That said, I don't like it or the precedent. I think a number of London residents parking permits are now like this so precedent is already there I suppose.

vikingaero

12,213 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Islington also charge for petrol and diesel vehicles:

Petrol Surcharge on Short Stay Parking
From April 2021, in line with the Council’s Net Zero Carbon aims, petrol and petrol hybrid vehicles will be subject to a surcharge on top of the standard tariff. The surcharge will vary with the Co2 emissions produced by your vehicle, the higher the emissions and higher the fuel surcharge.

Petrol fuel surcharge Surcharge per hour
1-185g/km CO2 £1.00
186-225g/km CO2 £2.00
Over 226g/km CO2 £3.00

Diesel Surcharge on Short Stay Parking
From April 2021, an additional charge of £5 per hour will apply to all diesel vehicles paying for short stay parking in Islington. This is to help reduce harmful emissions and improve air quality in Islington. Find out more on diesel surcharge.

DonkeyApple

66,188 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Lewisham. Lovely Lewisham.

Once had to visit a Citibank office down there. Stepped off the train into a pile of vomit on the platform, there was a crazy bloke shouting about something further down the platform and everyone else looked lost or suicidal. Got back on a train to London.

Surprised it's not Richmond pulling the parking stunt though. That's another bunch of delusional mentalists.

hemidom

1,336 posts

168 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Hardly fair to charge for emissions when parked is it? The surcharge above which it won't be emitting sitting in a car park.

Also what if you drive an import which doesn't have emissions recorded?

jonah35

3,940 posts

179 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Just another push for the hard working man to get to Greece and have a beer in a taverna and stop grinding his life down to give his money away in tax and shorten his life due to stress


Lincsls1

3,892 posts

162 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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What a load of bks!
If anything, surely charges should be based on the size of the vehicle, not its emissions.

Liokault

2,837 posts

236 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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I’m ok, my 2.8l derv produces zero co2 when parked…hence my parking is free…I got that right didn’t I?

kambites

70,528 posts

243 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Lincsls1 said:
What a load of bks!
If anything, surely charges should be based on the size of the vehicle, not its emissions.
They can base it on whatever they want, it's their car park! They could charge more for blue cars if they wanted to.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 10th March 18:54

808 Estate

2,555 posts

113 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Surely if its parked, its a zero emissions vehicle. biggrin

Toltec

7,179 posts

245 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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808 Estate said:
Surely if its parked, its a zero emissions vehicle. biggrin
Technically it will still be emitting some hydrocarbons due to evaporation, but not much biggrin

steve2

1,844 posts

240 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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It will not help reduce emissions if car owners carried on parking there and paying the surcharges

“This is to help reduce harmful emissions and improve air quality in Islington.”

Megaflow

10,923 posts

247 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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hemidom said:
Hardly fair to charge for emissions when parked is it? The surcharge above which it won't be emitting sitting in a car park.

Also what if you drive an import which doesn't have emissions recorded?
Surely it should be the other way round, the more polluting, the cheaper it is to park to encourage you to park it for longer

Megaflow

10,923 posts

247 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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steve2 said:
It will not help reduce emissions if car owners carried on parking there and paying the surcharges

“This is to help reduce harmful emissions and improve air quality in Islington.”
They didn’t seriously say that did they? If anything the opposite will be true, because some of the most polluting vehicles will now drive around more looking for a cheaper space!

rofl

Clem2k3

129 posts

128 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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They do this in a few boroughs of London

Most annoyingly it uses a different set of requirements to the ULEZ, based off V5 CO2 rather than Euro regs

WonkeyDonkey

2,535 posts

125 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Honestly I haven't a clue what either of our cars are. Cactus and Giulietta, £0 & £130 ved respectively. Are either Euro6? Couldn't tell you.

They both take the black pump and that's as far as my knowledge goes!

Chubbyross

4,831 posts

107 months

Thursday 10th March 2022
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Clem2k3 said:
They do this in a few boroughs of London

Most annoyingly it uses a different set of requirements to the ULEZ, based off V5 CO2 rather than Euro regs
Yep. Islington council charges for residents parking based on V5 CO2.