RE: Not dead yet: Stellantis announces 500hp engine
RE: Not dead yet: Stellantis announces 500hp engine
Friday 25th March 2022

Not dead yet: Stellantis announces 500hp engine

The all-electric Stellantis empire is coming, but not before the new twin-turbo 'Hurricane' lands



The move to an all-EV lineup will be hard enough for most manufacturers; it becomes considerably more difficult for groups like Stellantis with their vast portfolio of brands. Especially when you think of the North American ones - Dodge, Ram and Jeep spring to mind - with a heavy reliance on petrol engines. The thought of those manufacturers going cold turkey on combustion as soon as some others have suggested just isn't feasible.

The solution? A more efficient V8 replacement, of course, specifically a new 3.0-litre twin-turbo straight-six called the 'Hurricane'. It has been designed to be hybridised in time, too, aiding that transition to electric that will inevitably come. For the moment, however, it sounds a real treat. Offered in either standard output - still with more than 400hp and 450lb ft, they say - or High Output, with a greater focus on performance and the promise of more than 500hp/475lb ft. That's with US 91-octane, too. Stellantis says the unit offers "V8-rivalling performance while being up to 15 per cent more efficient than larger engines." A Rolls-Royce Merlin is probably more efficient than the old supercharged 6.2 used in various Dodges, Rams and Jeeps, but it's better than nothing. And a million times more palatable for customers than, say, batteries.

The Hurricane uses an aluminium block, a forged steel crank and forged steel conrods; while efficiency is understandably a priority - with features to help like 350-bar direct injection - Stellantis hasn't abandoned performance enhancing measures, either. The turbos are said to be low inertia and high flow (boosting at 22psi or 26psi depending on variant), there's dual overhead cams and fully independent variable valve timing, plus the cylinder bores are plasma coated to reduce friction. Nothing that you won't have already heard of but, again, there are still iron-blocked, 16-valve, pushrod V8s in the Stellantis empire - this is progress.

Interestingly, the Hurricane shares some key features - bore, stroke and cylinder spacing - with the 2.0-litre turbo four found in some Jeeps. The new straight six is going to built at the Saltillo Engine Plant in Mexico,and is set to power cars on the STLA Large and STLA Frame platforms. The real big stuff, basically; the latter being pick-up trucks, the former starting at the D-segment. Don't go getting any idea of a new Giulia Quadrifoglio powered by a Hurricane, sadly - this is about improving the efficiency of those models seemingly dependent on V8s. Still, achieving that with a twin-turbo straight-six sounds a very agreeable solution for all parties, and, if nothing else, it confirms that internal combustion engines will play 'a key role' in the Stellantis portfolio for a good while yet. Expect the Hurricane-engined models to be in dealers by the end of this year.






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Bencolem

Original Poster:

1,195 posts

270 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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ARTICLE said:
The move to an all-EV lineup will be hard enough for most manufacturers; it becomes considerably more difficult for groups like Stellantis with their vast portfolio of brands. Especially when you think of the North American ones - Dodge, Ram and Jeep spring to mind - with a heavy reliance on petrol engines.
I'm not aware of any legislation forcing the move to EV in North America?

Wadeski

9,058 posts

244 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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US 91 octane is the same as UK 95. Just a different measurement.

DanielSan

20,112 posts

198 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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At least with it being built in Mexico the crate engines won't have to be shipped far for the street racers to put them into their cars...

martin12345

1,017 posts

120 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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Bencolem said:
ARTICLE said:
The move to an all-EV lineup will be hard enough for most manufacturers; it becomes considerably more difficult for groups like Stellantis with their vast portfolio of brands. Especially when you think of the North American ones - Dodge, Ram and Jeep spring to mind - with a heavy reliance on petrol engines.
I'm not aware of any legislation forcing the move to EV in North America?
I think this is true at the moment, There was legislation passed during the Obama presidency which required the average Corporate Fuel Economy (average sales of an OEM) to increase by about 1.5 mpg every year for a bit over 10 years. Then Trump suspended that legislation, However now that Biden is in power he has announced he plans to reinstate the legislation, so the OEM's are basically expecting legislation to arrive soon

Whilst the legislation does not mandate BEV's, they are a great way for an OEM to improve their average as they are counted as 0 mpg


In addition, California has a "ZEV" (Zero Emission Mandate) that requires a % of cars sold in California to be Zero emission. If you dont meet the requirement you dont sell cars in California and I think there are 9 other states also follow this ZEV mandate as well (Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont )

So, in summary there is no Federal regulation mandating BEVs but there is highly likely that there will be agressive Fuel Economy Regulations (again) soon and there are state BEV regulations

NMNeil

5,860 posts

81 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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martin12345 said:
I think this is true at the moment, There was legislation passed during the Obama presidency which required the average Corporate Fuel Economy (average sales of an OEM) to increase by about 1.5 mpg every year for a bit over 10 years. Then Trump suspended that legislation, However now that Biden is in power he has announced he plans to reinstate the legislation, so the OEM's are basically expecting legislation to arrive soon

Whilst the legislation does not mandate BEV's, they are a great way for an OEM to improve their average as they are counted as 0 mpg


In addition, California has a "ZEV" (Zero Emission Mandate) that requires a % of cars sold in California to be Zero emission. If you dont meet the requirement you dont sell cars in California and I think there are 9 other states also follow this ZEV mandate as well (Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont )

So, in summary there is no Federal regulation mandating BEVs but there is highly likely that there will be agressive Fuel Economy Regulations (again) soon and there are state BEV regulations
Looks like Washington State just banned the sale of new ICE cars starting in 2030.
https://electrek.co/2022/03/25/washington-passes-b...


Wadeski

9,058 posts

244 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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NMNeil said:
martin12345 said:
I think this is true at the moment, There was legislation passed during the Obama presidency which required the average Corporate Fuel Economy (average sales of an OEM) to increase by about 1.5 mpg every year for a bit over 10 years. Then Trump suspended that legislation, However now that Biden is in power he has announced he plans to reinstate the legislation, so the OEM's are basically expecting legislation to arrive soon

Whilst the legislation does not mandate BEV's, they are a great way for an OEM to improve their average as they are counted as 0 mpg


In addition, California has a "ZEV" (Zero Emission Mandate) that requires a % of cars sold in California to be Zero emission. If you dont meet the requirement you dont sell cars in California and I think there are 9 other states also follow this ZEV mandate as well (Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont )

So, in summary there is no Federal regulation mandating BEVs but there is highly likely that there will be agressive Fuel Economy Regulations (again) soon and there are state BEV regulations
Looks like Washington State just banned the sale of new ICE cars starting in 2030.
https://electrek.co/2022/03/25/washington-passes-b...
But with America's current political climate, it wouldn't surprise me if Texas bans EVs because they support critical race theory...

As a registered democrat, im still pretty convinced Trump will walk the election in 2024. Then what will happen when, I dunno, Hulk Hogan is made head of the EPA for the LOLZ?

RDMcG

20,914 posts

238 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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V8 707 hp to this is not an advance.........

borat52

585 posts

239 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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NMNeil said:
Looks like Washington State just banned the sale of new ICE cars starting in 2030.
https://electrek.co/2022/03/25/washington-passes-b...
I will be very surprised if we reach a point where it's feasible to ban ICE cars by 2030. I would imagine we'll get back peddling and they'll end up saying hybrids are OK.

martin12345

1,017 posts

120 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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Wadeski said:
NMNeil said:
martin12345 said:
I think this is true at the moment, There was legislation passed during the Obama presidency which required the average Corporate Fuel Economy (average sales of an OEM) to increase by about 1.5 mpg every year for a bit over 10 years. Then Trump suspended that legislation, However now that Biden is in power he has announced he plans to reinstate the legislation, so the OEM's are basically expecting legislation to arrive soon

Whilst the legislation does not mandate BEV's, they are a great way for an OEM to improve their average as they are counted as 0 mpg


In addition, California has a "ZEV" (Zero Emission Mandate) that requires a % of cars sold in California to be Zero emission. If you dont meet the requirement you dont sell cars in California and I think there are 9 other states also follow this ZEV mandate as well (Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont )

So, in summary there is no Federal regulation mandating BEVs but there is highly likely that there will be agressive Fuel Economy Regulations (again) soon and there are state BEV regulations
Looks like Washington State just banned the sale of new ICE cars starting in 2030.
https://electrek.co/2022/03/25/washington-passes-b...
But with America's current political climate, it wouldn't surprise me if Texas bans EVs because they support critical race theory...

As a registered democrat, im still pretty convinced Trump will walk the election in 2024. Then what will happen when, I dunno, Hulk Hogan is made head of the EPA for the LOLZ?
I have no diea how the 2024 election will go, nor what individual states may do, However if you are on OEM in the USA you need to "cover your bases" so that whichever President is voted for in 2024 that you have a range of engines/powertrains that will both meet what customers want to buy and also what is legal to sell.

So my guess is that Stellantis and Ford will parallel V8's, boosted 6's and EV's so they can focus the volume of whichever is "best" for sales as needed. As for GM, they seem to be on a mission to focus on EV's which may be a wise move or prove stupid depending on how things play out

Hurricane52

394 posts

154 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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Might try one of these fancy Hurricanes in my Hurricane. Straight six swap. Should be lemon squeezy.

3rd

19 posts

99 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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Is this the 3rd 3.0l twin turbo V6 from Stellantis?
- Quadrifoglio
- Nettuno
- Hurricane

Seems like an odd strategy...

florian

299 posts

305 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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I don’t think a twin turbo straight six can match the „emotional value“ of a V8. Let’s face it folks, the good times around almost over. Last chance to grab a V8!

And look at all that plastics and piping on that engine. It looks very complex and it will be a nightmare if it goes wrong.

DanielSan

20,112 posts

198 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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florian said:
I don’t think a twin turbo straight six can match the „emotional value“ of a V8. Let’s face it folks, the good times around almost over. Last chance to grab a V8!

And look at all that plastics and piping on that engine. It looks very complex and it will be a nightmare if it goes wrong.
I don't know, the Toyota 2JZ and Nissan RB26 both outdo a fair few V8's on emotional value.

florian

299 posts

305 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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DanielSan said:
I don't know, the Toyota 2JZ and Nissan RB26 both outdo a fair few V8's on emotional value.
Yes, that's a good point. Those straight six engines are a perfect match for Japanese sports cars. But for American muscle? I'm not convinced.

Wadeski

9,058 posts

244 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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The buick grand national would like a word evil

DodgyGeezer

49,349 posts

221 months

Sunday 27th March 2022
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Sad, sad story. I can see the necessity for it and I'm sure it's a impressive engine but (for me) there's little to no interest over a V8

NMNeil

5,860 posts

81 months

Sunday 27th March 2022
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Wadeski said:
But with America's current political climate, it wouldn't surprise me if Texas bans EVs because they support critical race theory...

As a registered democrat, im still pretty convinced Trump will walk the election in 2024. Then what will happen when, I dunno, Hulk Hogan is made head of the EPA for the LOLZ?
I don't know about Trump walking it, but as he's suing Clinton and the Democratic party he's basically stopped her running again until the case is over.
And as Musk is setting up the Tesla factory near Austin I can see the Texas ban on direct sales of cars being revoked fairly soon, or alternatively there's the reservation near Livingstone, so he may repeat the success he had here in New Mexico when he set up direct sales on native sovereign land and flipped a finger at the car dealers monopoly biggrin

Sandpit Steve

15,595 posts

105 months

Monday 28th March 2022
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DodgyGeezer said:
Sad, sad story. I can see the necessity for it and I'm sure it's a impressive engine but (for me) there's little to no interest over a V8
Good luck prising the V8s out of the cold, dead hands of millions of Americans.

Even when forced by legislation, the US auto makers are going to find a way to somehow keep selling them, the demand isn’t going away any time soon.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

81 months

Monday 28th March 2022
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Sandpit Steve said:
Good luck prising the V8s out of the cold, dead hands of millions of Americans.

Even when forced by legislation, the US auto makers are going to find a way to somehow keep selling them, the demand isn’t going away any time soon.
Very few cars are available with a V8 engine as standard anymore, and with the recent petrol price madness I'm seeing more and more V8 engined cars with for sale signs in them.

AQRS2

26 posts

127 months

Tuesday 29th March 2022
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florian said:
DanielSan said:
I don't know, the Toyota 2JZ and Nissan RB26 both outdo a fair few V8's on emotional value.
Yes, that's a good point. Those straight six engines are a perfect match for Japanese sports cars. But for American muscle? I'm not convinced.
But, look at the latest F150 Raptor, it's so sold out, 3 year old ones are changing hands for what the owners paid for them when they bought them new, with a V6 in the front......