RE: McLaren marks 25 years of Longtail
RE: McLaren marks 25 years of Longtail
Tuesday 17th May 2022

McLaren marks 25 years of Longtail

In 1997, the F1 GTR LT took Le Mans by storm. Its maker pays tribute...


“Is this the secret door that I’ve heard so much about,” asks Daniel Ricciardo? “It may well be,” replies Ian Howshall, McLaren’s Global Product Manager. And if you want to find out what lies behind this ‘secret’ door, then spend a moment – well, 10 minutes – to check out this video, which is a conversation between Ricciardo and Howshall, as the latter explains to the ever-enthusiastic Honey Badger how the Longtail legend came about. 

First up, of course, the Gulf-liveried McLaren F1 GTR Longtail. It is a pretty special-looking thing, it has to be said. One of my personal favourite cars, actually. Howshall talks about the need to create it and what was involved, including lopping 100kg out of its running mass. This fact leaves Ricciardo wide-eyed. “If we can save 100g [out of an F1 car] we’re killing it,” he says.

Howshall goes on to describe how the GTR laid the blueprint for the road-going LT models to follow - i.e. taking out weight, changing the bodywork for increased aerodynamic downforce, improving the chassis dynamics, upgrading the powertrain.

Ricciardo hardly seems to need telling: “this was the first sportscar I purchased,” he exclaims when confronted with the 675LT. It was blue, in case you’re wondering. Apparently for a total hand, it was like a go kart - because you could “throw it around and play with it.” Classic Honey Badger. 

Next up is the 600LT, based on the 570 S, and the talk of those famous flames that shot out from its high-set exhausts – and how these dictated the materials use for the rear wing. And then there’s the 765 LT Spider, which Ricciardo tells us he used while in California and “in the most positive way possible it scared the **** out of me. It is so fast.” Now, for a current F1 driver to say that it means something. Having driven just the regular 720S, I’m not sure it was for effect, either.

There are more snippets for fans of McLaren’s road cars in here, so it’s well worth investing 10 minutes in. Which one of the cars shown would Ricciardo take away with him? All is revealed at the end…


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Ahonen

Original Poster:

5,032 posts

310 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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Only one of those cars has a long tail. The newer ones seem to be little more than marketing exercises as the rear overhang doesn't look very long on any of them. Perhaps they should be called SLTs instead - Slightly Longer Tail.

deadscoob

2,265 posts

291 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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Whilst you’re on that trail, you might as well give Mercedes a call about SLs and certainly BMW, with its not so CSL it’s due to launch.

ImFeelingSaucy

538 posts

55 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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Ahonen said:
Only one of those cars has a long tail. The newer ones seem to be little more than marketing exercises as the rear overhang doesn't look very long on any of them. Perhaps they should be called SLTs instead - Slightly Longer Tail.
Yes, yes, very drole…

The name is marketing lead for sure but the cars are pretty special none the less. They are all significantly improved from the standard models.
Personally I couldn’t care less what they called them as long as they are proper specials that enhance the driving experience - not just paint jobs and big wheels.

I enjoyed this film. More of this stuff please.


Slowlygettingit

947 posts

72 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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That F1. No more words needed.

Wheelspinning

2,314 posts

61 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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My 675LT spider is hands down the best car I have owned or driven.

Just an absolute gem.

Glenn63

3,976 posts

115 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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Tbh Mclarens have usually left me a bit cold but that 765LT just looks so right to me I’d love one if I ever found myself with such monies!

deadscoob

2,265 posts

291 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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Let’s face it - all the modern LTs are mega.

Regardless of how many hilarious “they all look the same” comments there are.

samoht

7,318 posts

177 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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It's a decent vid, the points about the engineering etc are good, however the PR rep's attempt to make out the "LT" cars have anything to do with the F1 Longtail doesn't ring true.

The Longtail is a pure racing homologation special to add downforce to try and keep up with Porsche's "911" GT1 in the BPR series.

The LTs have nothing to do with competition, they're model variants which trade civility for more excitement, like Porsche's GT cars. Arguably for a racing team like McLaren, learning how to make a car fun and involving is actually a more impressive achievement than merely bolting on a load more downforce to be quicker around a circuit.

I'd love an LT, they're very cool, but best to leave it at the name being a homage, rather than trying to spin a connection that's not really there.

ate one too

2,914 posts

177 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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Waiting for a new paint colour called "Longtail by Farrow and Ball" only available on the nearly available Artura ... wink

Full marks to McLaren PR for keeping the pot boiling until something tangible appears.

Edited by ate one too on Tuesday 17th May 20:17

Jon_S_Rally

4,509 posts

119 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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I see the cheerful folk of PH are all out on this one laugh

That longtail F1 is stunning. What a thing. As are all the road cars.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,788 posts

129 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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Sums up all the strengths and weaknesses of McLaren.

They make some good cars, even great ones, but they have very little actual road car heritage and this is important to a lot of buyers. It's not their "fault" - this is always going to be the case of a young company - but it does make their situation very challenging when it comes to competing against Ferrari et al in the £150K to £300k market.

They'll try their best to manufacture a heritage but not sure anyone is really convinced....

donteatpeople

881 posts

305 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Sums up all the strengths and weaknesses of McLaren.

They make some good cars, even great ones, but they have very little actual road car heritage
If you want to count the quantity of heritage road cars they're not doing well but it's pretty hard to ignore the quality of the F1 legend. If your only heritage car is regarded as one of the greatest in history you're not doing too badly.

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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I could care less about the "heritage" of the more established brands. It's meaningless to me and just seems like an odd concept when it comes to cars.

McLaren build superb drivers cars, they have yet to release anything which could even vaguely be considered a duffer.

Having been lucky enough to spend some time in a 720S the idea of a more focused, faster LT variant is genuinely mind blowing.

ChrisCh86

1,135 posts

75 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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The LT cars have always been sensational - it's McLaren's best "mainstream" product. The 675LT, 600LT and 765LT are all fantastic.

It's the other stuff that is weak - they don't have a proper GT and they don't have an SUV - both of which need to have a different recipe to the same old Riccardo developed V8 / carbon fibre tub / mid-engined layout

Ocho

740 posts

268 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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ChrisCh86 said:
The LT cars have always been sensational - it's McLaren's best "mainstream" product. The 675LT, 600LT and 765LT are all fantastic.

It's the other stuff that is weak - they don't have a proper GT and they don't have an SUV - both of which need to have a different recipe to the same old Riccardo developed V8 / carbon fibre tub / mid-engined layout
Wow - that's the first time I've heard a put-down of a full-on sports car brand because they DON'T have an SUV!

ImFeelingSaucy

538 posts

55 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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samoht said:
It's a decent vid, the points about the engineering etc are good, however the PR rep's attempt to make out the "LT" cars have anything to do with the F1 Longtail doesn't ring true.
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Just for the record, Ian Howshall isn’t a PR rep, he’s a Product & Engineering Project Manager and ex Le Mans team engineer.
In short, he knows his onions.

That said, I think you might be right about the F1 LT being different gravy to the road cars.

smithyithy

7,945 posts

149 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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charltjr said:
I could care less
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Wren-went

1,067 posts

69 months

Thursday 19th May 2022
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McLaren don't need Heritage they designed and built the ultimate car in the F1 , They have certainly made History with that car with its looks and ultimate performance, History they have also made that in Rowan Atkinson's insurance company repair Bill for the damage when he had the accident with the ditch,it is still the record in the UK for the costliest repair bill of £910,000 car couldn't be written off it was worth at least 3million..

He said when selling it 5 years later and the car having 47,000 it's worth too much now to keep and sold it for 8million, not bad profit on a car he had for nearly 20 years and was in a bad accident,His car was also the F1; that raced a Bugatti veyron in Down town Abu Dhabi on Top gear , Hammond Driving the Veyron and Stig the McLaren ,
That was also when Topgear was also the best TV motoring program IN. THE. WORLD now it's just rubbish.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

265 months

Thursday 19th May 2022
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All look like a 12c to me. May as well save your cash, buy one of those and have pretty much the same car.

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Wheelspinning

2,314 posts

61 months

Thursday 19th May 2022
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SidewaysSi said:
All look like a 12c to me. May as well save your cash, buy one of those and have pretty much the same car.

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