Should HGVs have their limiters removed?
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I'm tired of elephant racing.
I don't really blame HGV drivers for it because being stuck behind another HGV at 53 instead of 56 for many miles could make a big difference to their schedule, although maybe the vehicle being overtaken should let off the accelerator for a bit.
If HGV's weren't limited I doubt they would cruise at much over 56 because of fuel consumption implications, but they could temporarily go up to 60 or 62 to get an overtake done much more quickly.
I don't really blame HGV drivers for it because being stuck behind another HGV at 53 instead of 56 for many miles could make a big difference to their schedule, although maybe the vehicle being overtaken should let off the accelerator for a bit.
If HGV's weren't limited I doubt they would cruise at much over 56 because of fuel consumption implications, but they could temporarily go up to 60 or 62 to get an overtake done much more quickly.
DOCG said:
I'm tired of elephant racing.
I don't really blame HGV drivers for it because being stuck behind another HGV at 53 instead of 56 for many miles could make a big difference to their schedule, although maybe the vehicle being overtaken should let off the accelerator for a bit.
If HGV's weren't limited I doubt they would cruise at much over 56 because of fuel consumption implications, but they could temporarily go up to 60 or 62 to get an overtake done much more quickly.
If it’s not their fuel then a driver won’t give two hoots about fuel consumption if it means they can be back at the depot and knocking off 20 minutes sooner. I don't really blame HGV drivers for it because being stuck behind another HGV at 53 instead of 56 for many miles could make a big difference to their schedule, although maybe the vehicle being overtaken should let off the accelerator for a bit.
If HGV's weren't limited I doubt they would cruise at much over 56 because of fuel consumption implications, but they could temporarily go up to 60 or 62 to get an overtake done much more quickly.
Jimbo. said:
If it’s not their fuel then a driver won’t give two hoots about fuel consumption if it means they can be back at the depot and knocking off 20 minutes sooner.
As far as I know all HGV drivers have their driving strictly monitored by a black box, if they drive in an uneconomical manner for long periods they will be reprimanded. Have you seen how many of the "professional king of the road" mouth breathers are on their mobiles?
Its why I'd never stay in a car if I was on the hard shoulder and certainly the idea that those drivers could go faster is frightening. As mentioned above, no over taking on dual carriage or dual lane motorways and ban them from the road during rush hour - works in Germany
Its why I'd never stay in a car if I was on the hard shoulder and certainly the idea that those drivers could go faster is frightening. As mentioned above, no over taking on dual carriage or dual lane motorways and ban them from the road during rush hour - works in Germany
Vanden Crash said:
Have you seen how many of the "professional king of the road" mouth breathers are on their mobiles?
Its why I'd never stay in a car if I was on the hard shoulder and certainly the idea that those drivers could go faster is frightening. As mentioned above, no over taking on dual carriage or dual lane motorways and ban them from the road during rush hour - works in Germany
And what happens when you catch a Cat 3 wagon limited to 40? Mass long lines of trucks behind it? Or when a heavy one is down to 25mph? Its why I'd never stay in a car if I was on the hard shoulder and certainly the idea that those drivers could go faster is frightening. As mentioned above, no over taking on dual carriage or dual lane motorways and ban them from the road during rush hour - works in Germany
Trucks are slow and travel far so usually start their day before rush hour and finish after it, they couldn’t get a days work in if they worked between the two, unless they are delivering 3 miles down the road.
If a truck is overtaking me slowly il lift to make it quicker, rather not have another wagon next to me. But I over take far more cars tossing about than I do other trucks in a day.
No, nor should there be any bans on overtaking because that would slow the roads down even more. We need the trade that trucks represent, we don't need cars on roads (though I accept its what we very much want).
If it is the case though, then Germany has clearly built the parking space, and indeed Europe does SO much better than us in providing parking space and facilities for truckers than we do, but as we do nothing of the sort, we'd need to brace ourselves for years of construction work.
I mean though, to provide the parking space for a nations trucks, to be used twice a day, isn't that one heck of a waste of space, that could be used for housing, retail, industry or whatever?
Vanden Crash said:
Have you seen how many of the "professional king of the road" mouth breathers are on their mobiles?
Its why I'd never stay in a car if I was on the hard shoulder and certainly the idea that those drivers could go faster is frightening. As mentioned above, no over taking on dual carriage or dual lane motorways and ban them from the road during rush hour - works in Germany
So every morning of very working day, all the trucks on the autobahns come off and park up, and all other trucks stop too, and then repeat in the evening? I doubt that very much.Its why I'd never stay in a car if I was on the hard shoulder and certainly the idea that those drivers could go faster is frightening. As mentioned above, no over taking on dual carriage or dual lane motorways and ban them from the road during rush hour - works in Germany
If it is the case though, then Germany has clearly built the parking space, and indeed Europe does SO much better than us in providing parking space and facilities for truckers than we do, but as we do nothing of the sort, we'd need to brace ourselves for years of construction work.
I mean though, to provide the parking space for a nations trucks, to be used twice a day, isn't that one heck of a waste of space, that could be used for housing, retail, industry or whatever?
DOCG said:
Jimbo. said:
If it’s not their fuel then a driver won’t give two hoots about fuel consumption if it means they can be back at the depot and knocking off 20 minutes sooner.
As far as I know all HGV drivers have their driving strictly monitored by a black box, if they drive in an uneconomical manner for long periods they will be reprimanded. georgeyboy12345 said:
No, I think it'd be very dangerous.
Anyone remember that TopGear episode when they removed the limiters on their HGVs and Clarkson got his up to 100? Was that real? How fast can they go if unlimited?
Even without limiters on the HGV the speed limit for such vehicles is still 60. Do you really think many lorry drivers would be going along at those speeds?Anyone remember that TopGear episode when they removed the limiters on their HGVs and Clarkson got his up to 100? Was that real? How fast can they go if unlimited?
V88Dicky said:
I’ve had trucks go past me in Texas / New Mexico / Arizona, at at least a 10mph differential, and I had cruise set to the legal limit…
To be fair, the road casualty stats in US are in another league from most of Europe, their deaths per capita are at about 4x ours. If the US featured in a Europe list they'd feature somewhere between Moldova and Bosnia & Herzegovina. I believe they've got worse since this list published, during pandemic Europe's figures went down, US's went up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...
I reckon that in my truck I overtake roughly an equal amount of cars/vans doing sub 56mph as I do other lorries, on the dual carriageways and motorways around me.
Maybe the lighter traffic should be fined for travelling at less than 56mph on 70mph roads and causing half of the overtaking issues.
Maybe the lighter traffic should be fined for travelling at less than 56mph on 70mph roads and causing half of the overtaking issues.
Matt_E_Mulsion said:
I reckon that in my truck I overtake roughly an equal amount of cars/vans doing sub 56mph as I do other lorries, on the dual carriageways and motorways around me.
Maybe the lighter traffic should be fined for travelling at less than 56mph on 70mph roads and causing half of the overtaking issues.
This, setting a minimum limit of say 60 for cars/light vehicles would reduce hgv’s overtaking more than raising the trucks limiter. Maybe the lighter traffic should be fined for travelling at less than 56mph on 70mph roads and causing half of the overtaking issues.
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