If buying brand new would you still buy an ICE car?
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Depends on your use case surely. Eg. Whether a company car buyer so BIK relevant. How many miles you do. Whether you have off street parking etc. Currently, all power trains have their place.
Personally, if buying brand new I’d probably go for a Tesla Model 3. But then, I’m not a buyer of new cars so my opinion is irrelevant.
Personally, if buying brand new I’d probably go for a Tesla Model 3. But then, I’m not a buyer of new cars so my opinion is irrelevant.
sgtbash said:
Depends.
Toy? ICE
Daily? Hybrid
Yeah, my next fun car will be petrol powered, my next daily will be EV. If I was a new car buyer I'd quite likely already have an EV as a daily, but as I've never bought anything less than 10 years old, I'm hoping a nice fast long-range EV will be in budget by 2025ish.Toy? ICE
Daily? Hybrid
If you can work around the range issues I think EVs are already better as a daily. Conversely I think for a fun car, it's a time to enjoy the best petrol cars.
Depends on usage. We have three ICE cars between Mrs Magnum & I. Her car: 220i Active Tourer, my car: 330i F30 saloon, my toy: 987S.
Ideally, I'd love to change either to 220i or the 330i to an EV. If I lived anywhere else I probably would. But we have an overhead electricity supply that's maxed at 80 amps and uses a TT earth. All of which means that we can get much in the way of a 'fast' charger. If that ever gets uprated, then an EV becomes a possibility. Until then, PHEV is as far as we can go.
For daily & family use, modern EVs are pretty good. I'd have one and keep the 987 for when I want some real fun.
Ideally, I'd love to change either to 220i or the 330i to an EV. If I lived anywhere else I probably would. But we have an overhead electricity supply that's maxed at 80 amps and uses a TT earth. All of which means that we can get much in the way of a 'fast' charger. If that ever gets uprated, then an EV becomes a possibility. Until then, PHEV is as far as we can go.
For daily & family use, modern EVs are pretty good. I'd have one and keep the 987 for when I want some real fun.
Personally i'm buying nothing for the time being, keeping the old Japanese built cars going for as long as possible and see what the lunatics come up with next.
However if i was to buy new, then it would be a Toyota hybrid, probably Corolla estate, Suzuki equivalent might be a cheaper buy if looking nearly new (some pre reg of these were a bargain before national house arrest was issued by the politburo's gophers) but not sure if they have the same cast iron warranty as the Toyotas, nor maybe would Suzies maniacs be as experienced in hybrids as Toyota techs.
However if i was to buy new, then it would be a Toyota hybrid, probably Corolla estate, Suzuki equivalent might be a cheaper buy if looking nearly new (some pre reg of these were a bargain before national house arrest was issued by the politburo's gophers) but not sure if they have the same cast iron warranty as the Toyotas, nor maybe would Suzies maniacs be as experienced in hybrids as Toyota techs.
Really does depend on your usage but even then it's going to be personal preference. My wife for example is almost the perfect use case for EV, lots of short town journeys, doesn't go far very often at all. Has no desire for *any* EV's.
In my case while a chunk of my usage is perfect for EV I don't do many miles enough to make an EV financially viable and then I use the car for towing and longer distances.
So with a single car compromised as that is then ICE all the way.
If I didn't have to worry about the finances, parking etc then I'd be getting multiple vehicles and the next one would be EV....but it would be for local usage and I'd still be keeping the ICE!
On the subject of the finances, lets be honest that if you *want* something you can make those sums justify themselves but personally I have no desire for any of them and without the desire I have no want to make the "man maths" work!
In my case while a chunk of my usage is perfect for EV I don't do many miles enough to make an EV financially viable and then I use the car for towing and longer distances.
So with a single car compromised as that is then ICE all the way.
If I didn't have to worry about the finances, parking etc then I'd be getting multiple vehicles and the next one would be EV....but it would be for local usage and I'd still be keeping the ICE!
On the subject of the finances, lets be honest that if you *want* something you can make those sums justify themselves but personally I have no desire for any of them and without the desire I have no want to make the "man maths" work!
Am going to be looking to add to the fleet later in the year - probably an M135i, still not 100% sure whether to brave the lead times for the MY22 updates or go with something already in stock.
I'd probably go EV over diesel, however I have very little interest in running either so sticking to petrol.
I'd probably go EV over diesel, however I have very little interest in running either so sticking to petrol.
Yes for me. Could consider a mild hybrid but for my daily use I still need ICE. A diesel auto would be great. If I could use and EV I would as more relaxing but sadly not one that fits my needs (yet?!)
Toy would be petrol and manual. I don’t need the faster auto boxes, prefer the manual gear change for a toy, for me it’s not about the speed it’s the overall experience.
Toy would be petrol and manual. I don’t need the faster auto boxes, prefer the manual gear change for a toy, for me it’s not about the speed it’s the overall experience.
If I was in the market for a new car, I'd seriously consider a BEV as our current usage profile would suit it perfectly but every time I investigate it, I conclude they are still too expensive compared to their ICE counterparts (although that gap is closing), at least for a regular Joe who can't capitalise on BIK savings, etc.
Bit of a chicken and egg - we need more people to buy them to bring the price down.
Chris
Bit of a chicken and egg - we need more people to buy them to bring the price down.
Chris
Why do people mention 'going back' once they've had an electric.
Surely you buy based on your needs such as deciding between Petrol and Diesel, it's just another fuel option giving youore choice based on your needs.
Petrol and Diesel will continue to be around for a long time, all 3 have their own Pro's and Cons.
Surely you buy based on your needs such as deciding between Petrol and Diesel, it's just another fuel option giving youore choice based on your needs.
Petrol and Diesel will continue to be around for a long time, all 3 have their own Pro's and Cons.
This EV nonesense is just another nail in the coffin of "poor" people.
ICE cars will be around for many years yet.
At present you can buy a pretty decent cheap small second hand car for <£3k. Thinking kia, fiesta, older focus, fabia, swift etc.
These cars service millions of people every day perfectly well to go to their factory jobs, drop kids off at school or whatever
EVs are a transport for the rich at the moment. Any EV that retains any reasonable mileage from its battery will have very high residuals and be unaffordable for the poor to buy.
At present it takes about 80k miles before something like a tesla3 or polestar become a level playing field to a 318d or similar, however, that's not including recycling, which will be a lot more CO² hungry than recycling a dumb IC car.
Banning ICs from 2025 is a very short sighted and knee jerk reaction.
ICE cars will be around for many years yet.
At present you can buy a pretty decent cheap small second hand car for <£3k. Thinking kia, fiesta, older focus, fabia, swift etc.
These cars service millions of people every day perfectly well to go to their factory jobs, drop kids off at school or whatever
EVs are a transport for the rich at the moment. Any EV that retains any reasonable mileage from its battery will have very high residuals and be unaffordable for the poor to buy.
At present it takes about 80k miles before something like a tesla3 or polestar become a level playing field to a 318d or similar, however, that's not including recycling, which will be a lot more CO² hungry than recycling a dumb IC car.
Banning ICs from 2025 is a very short sighted and knee jerk reaction.
If you're actually buying a car I would stick to ICE as the technology in electric cars is just progressing too fast currently, someone compared it to when smartphones first came out, the difference between an iPhone 3 and an iPhone 4 were massive and you basically had to upgrade every year/2 years. Now you can still use an I phone 8 comfortably even though the 13 is out as the technology changes are slowing down. Same is the case with the electric cars, compare the BMW i3 from a few years ago to the new ID3 (and other competitors) and its night and day difference!
If leasing/PCP then get whatever you want, you don't own it anyway and you'll hand it back at the end so who cares what's more popular at the end of the deal! just get the car that best suits your use case and is within your monthly budget
If leasing/PCP then get whatever you want, you don't own it anyway and you'll hand it back at the end so who cares what's more popular at the end of the deal! just get the car that best suits your use case and is within your monthly budget
Ambleton said:
Banning ICs from 2025 is a very short sighted and knee jerk reaction.
I am looking forward to watching it play out. As said things are progressing too quickly. It'll all blow over and mature with time as things do so me chortling at the problems that crop up will be short lived
Ill stay ICE until I have no choice, I am in no rush to drive the current dross on offer. Assuming I don't die prematurely then I have probably 40 years of motoring left
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