Combustion Engine Ban
Discussion
Given the current plan for Combustion engine and Hybrid cars to be outlawed in 2030 (IIRC). Doesn't this mean that big V8/10/12 engined cars will start to appreciate? Basically order high spec E63's/M5's etc for delivery in 2029. Mothball them for a few years and then sell at a profit?
I thought that with 100W light bulbs and 35mm SLR cameras, sadly, it didn't pan out. I imagine the cost of fuel and road tax and ULEZ will make them all but impractical. Plus even in 2022 I am thinking my next car may well be electric, by 2030, it will be a no brainer.
Maybe some exotica will be worth something.
Maybe some exotica will be worth something.
Marty Funkhouser said:
Given the current plan for Combustion engine and Hybrid cars to be outlawed in 2030 (IIRC). Doesn't this mean that big V8/10/12 engined cars will start to appreciate? Basically order high spec E63's/M5's etc for delivery in 2029. Mothball them for a few years and then sell at a profit?
I doubt you’ll be able to buy an ICE car from any of the volume manufacturers in 2029. That’s unless the UK review the 2030 deadline, and bring it inline with the EU at 2035.But given how things are going, it’s anyones guess. It wouldn’t surprise me if the ban was scrapped, all the coal mines were reopened, shale fracking was started on a huge scale and subsidies were increased to the fossil fuel industry, while all incentives for renewables were scrapped. All in the name of taking back control.
Export56 said:
I thought that with 100W light bulbs and 35mm SLR cameras, sadly, it didn't pan out. I imagine the cost of fuel and road tax and ULEZ will make them all but impractical. Plus even in 2022 I am thinking my next car may well be electric, by 2030, it will be a no brainer.
Maybe some exotica will be worth something.
And Vinyl records and horses. There are people who are still into their 35mm cameras, incandescent lights, vinyl records or horses and there are even some who have become interested in them some time after they no longer were the default for the average person.Maybe some exotica will be worth something.
I would expect them to be nothing but a liability in the eyes of most people into the 2030s.
VED will be even more mind boggling, emission zones will go all out to penalise them, parking for them might be restricted.
Even if you deeply desired one you may well decide it's not worth the ball ache.
Electric vehicle costs will have to rise to make up for lost tax, but they're going to merciless on ICE.
It's not a fun object to have around the house. It's a cost and tax gobbling target.
VED will be even more mind boggling, emission zones will go all out to penalise them, parking for them might be restricted.
Even if you deeply desired one you may well decide it's not worth the ball ache.
Electric vehicle costs will have to rise to make up for lost tax, but they're going to merciless on ICE.
It's not a fun object to have around the house. It's a cost and tax gobbling target.
Edited by bloomen on Monday 4th July 23:55
bloomen said:
I would expect them to be nothing but a liability in the eyes of most people.
VED will be even more mind boggling, emission zones will go all out to penalise them, parking for them might be restricted.
Even if you deeply desired one you may well decide it's not worth the ball ache.
Electric vehicle costs will have to rise to make up for lost tax, but they're going to merciless on ICE.
After a while there will be no need to tax them/emission zone exclude them as 99% of cars will be electric anyway so the ones running around will be like when you see a old 70s/80s car out for a run now. Its a rolling 40 year tax/mot/ulez zone so in 2030 the cars from 1990 will be just fuel and insurance only.VED will be even more mind boggling, emission zones will go all out to penalise them, parking for them might be restricted.
Even if you deeply desired one you may well decide it's not worth the ball ache.
Electric vehicle costs will have to rise to make up for lost tax, but they're going to merciless on ICE.
Aye, but those will be classics by then. By 2030 most 40yr old cars will be dust. What they'll want to drive off the roads are all the millions of modern ish cars outstaying their welcome.
They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
bloomen said:
Aye, but those will be classics by then. By 2030 most 40yr old cars will be dust. What they'll want to drive off the roads are all the millions of modern ish cars outstaying their welcome.
They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
What will kill them all off is dead ecu's. Modern cars wont last as well with electrical issues imo. Old cars rusted like mad but any numpty can hot glue gun some metal back together. Completely different issue with a dead ecu which needs coding to the car.They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
Slow said:
bloomen said:
Aye, but those will be classics by then. By 2030 most 40yr old cars will be dust. What they'll want to drive off the roads are all the millions of modern ish cars outstaying their welcome.
They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
What will kill them all off is dead ecu's. Modern cars wont last as well with electrical issues imo. Old cars rusted like mad but any numpty can hot glue gun some metal back together. Completely different issue with a dead ecu which needs coding to the car.They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
Draxindustries1 said:
Slow said:
bloomen said:
Aye, but those will be classics by then. By 2030 most 40yr old cars will be dust. What they'll want to drive off the roads are all the millions of modern ish cars outstaying their welcome.
They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
What will kill them all off is dead ecu's. Modern cars wont last as well with electrical issues imo. Old cars rusted like mad but any numpty can hot glue gun some metal back together. Completely different issue with a dead ecu which needs coding to the car.They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
Slow said:
Draxindustries1 said:
Slow said:
bloomen said:
Aye, but those will be classics by then. By 2030 most 40yr old cars will be dust. What they'll want to drive off the roads are all the millions of modern ish cars outstaying their welcome.
They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
What will kill them all off is dead ecu's. Modern cars wont last as well with electrical issues imo. Old cars rusted like mad but any numpty can hot glue gun some metal back together. Completely different issue with a dead ecu which needs coding to the car.They're not going to go around dropping pianos on them, but they're going to turn the screws until enough people decide it's not worth the bother. That's not going to make for a vibrant market.
Why do you think that having to press a few extra buttons will be beyond the wit of a numpty at home?
More than the code, it'll be the actual part itself. I really can't imagine manufacturers building up decades of supply when a modern car has 100 or more ECUs.
And if it's a common fault scrap cars will be stripped of them in no time at all.
It might be the lack of some piffling part that kills the car even when the entire rest of it is in rude health.
And if it's a common fault scrap cars will be stripped of them in no time at all.
It might be the lack of some piffling part that kills the car even when the entire rest of it is in rude health.
bloomen said:
More than the code, it'll be the actual part itself. I really can't imagine manufacturers building up decades of supply when a modern car has 100 or more ECUs.
And if it's a common fault scrap cars will be stripped of them in no time at all.
It might be the lack of some piffling part that kills the car even when the entire rest of it is in rude health.
If it's a common part the aftermarket will step in because there will be profit to be had. Just like today. And if it's a common fault scrap cars will be stripped of them in no time at all.
It might be the lack of some piffling part that kills the car even when the entire rest of it is in rude health.
V8 Stang said:
2030 ban just isn't happening, there isn't the infrastructure.
Maybe all new will be hybrid, but all electric in 7.5 years, just no…
I have nowhere to charge an electric car (without a second electricity supply, and lots of work). So will happily continue with my V8 Mustang
It’s definitely happening. They need everyone at net zero before 2050. They can’t just have a hard stop on everything on that date, it’s needs to be transitioned. Everyone single one of us will have to be and any carbon that needs to be produced will have to be offset with very expensive credits. The only solution is to minimise green house has emissions to as low as possible. Running any ICE after 2030 is going to be extremely prohibitive, running one anywhere near or after 2050 will be almost impossible. Maybe all new will be hybrid, but all electric in 7.5 years, just no…
I have nowhere to charge an electric car (without a second electricity supply, and lots of work). So will happily continue with my V8 Mustang
Edited by delta0 on Tuesday 5th July 08:16
V8 Stang said:
2030 ban just isn't happening, there isn't the infrastructure.
Maybe all new will be hybrid, but all electric in 7.5 years, just no…
I have nowhere to charge an electric car (without a second electricity supply, and lots of work). So will happily continue with my V8 Mustang
It’s definitely happening and alot of manufacturers have said they will be fully electric by 2025!Maybe all new will be hybrid, but all electric in 7.5 years, just no…
I have nowhere to charge an electric car (without a second electricity supply, and lots of work). So will happily continue with my V8 Mustang
The special stuff will be hybrids,
Spare tyre said:
I was kinda hoping that ev conversions would come along that would allow replication of a characteristics of certain engines
I’d hoped drop in replacements would be straightforward already
There is a lot of them around, but every old car is different so each solution is bespoke and therefore costs a lot and often done by a 1-2man operation. They are never going to be straightforward.I’d hoped drop in replacements would be straightforward already
V8 Stang said:
I have nowhere to charge an electric car (without a second electricity supply, and lots of work). So will happily continue with my V8 Mustang
You have loads of places to charge an electric car, but at the moment none of them are as convenient to you as dropping in to a petrol station for 5 minutes every few hundred miles.On street chargers aren't as profitable for the companies managing them as destination chargers (maybe a couple of people charging each day vs a new person every hour at a supermarket one) so needs some government incentives to get them in place if they're serious about everyone going electric.
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