Insurers and remaps
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Don Veloci

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2,190 posts

310 months

Friday 5th August 2022
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Considering a Revo stage 1 remap, or equivalent on a MK7 Golf.

The timing ties in well with insurance renewal.

Are there insurers on the comparison lists known to be more favourable towards this than others?

Currently with Admiral and will enquire with them directly too.

SnowySpeeder

230 posts

270 months

Friday 5th August 2022
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LV bumped my premium £100 on a re-mapped BMW 530d

SteveR1979

601 posts

170 months

Friday 5th August 2022
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Don Veloci said:
Considering a Revo stage 1 remap, or equivalent on a MK7 Golf.

The timing ties in well with insurance renewal.

Are there insurers on the comparison lists known to be more favourable towards this than others?

Currently with Admiral and will enquire with them directly too.
Admiral, although being a ste insurer, used to be fairly reasonable on stuff like this.
Ask them?

Sensibleboy

1,168 posts

154 months

Friday 5th August 2022
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Admiral only wanted an extra £30 for mine to go from 208bhp to 250bhp ish...

Escort3500

13,460 posts

174 months

Friday 5th August 2022
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LV didn’t charge me any extra for the map on my RS4

Blown2CV

31,639 posts

232 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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£7 with admiral on my c63s

broadspeed1

119 posts

65 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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The insurance company would know it's remapped how? How were you supposed to know it's remapped?
If you like paying more for no reason go for it.

TREMAiNE

4,164 posts

178 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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broadspeed1 said:
The insurance company would know it's remapped how? How were you supposed to know it's remapped?
If you like paying more for no reason go for it.
The date and time of the remap is stamped on the ECU.

If you were to make a claim, it would almost certainly be discovered.

Escort3500

13,460 posts

174 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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TREMAiNE said:
broadspeed1 said:
The insurance company would know it's remapped how? How were you supposed to know it's remapped?
If you like paying more for no reason go for it.
The date and time of the remap is stamped on the ECU.

If you were to make a claim, it would almost certainly be discovered.
yes

SteBrown91

3,121 posts

158 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Escort3500 said:
TREMAiNE said:
broadspeed1 said:
The insurance company would know it's remapped how? How were you supposed to know it's remapped?
If you like paying more for no reason go for it.
The date and time of the remap is stamped on the ECU.

If you were to make a claim, it would almost certainly be discovered.
yes
I find this pretty unlikely to be honest. Insurance assessors barely make the effort to come out to look at a car let alone scan it with specialist diagnostic systems.

If, for example you were involved in an accident, you were at fault and they think you were driving dangerously they might go to extra lengths to look into things, but mostly I don’t think a remap would ever be picked up.

I’m not saying don’t declare it (you should) but thinking insurance companies go full csi on every claim is pure fantasy.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,003 posts

264 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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SteBrown91 said:
Escort3500 said:
TREMAiNE said:
broadspeed1 said:
The insurance company would know it's remapped how? How were you supposed to know it's remapped?
If you like paying more for no reason go for it.
The date and time of the remap is stamped on the ECU.

If you were to make a claim, it would almost certainly be discovered.
yes
I find this pretty unlikely to be honest. Insurance assessors barely make the effort to come out to look at a car let alone scan it with specialist diagnostic systems.

If, for example you were involved in an accident, you were at fault and they think you were driving dangerously they might go to extra lengths to look into things, but mostly I don’t think a remap would ever be picked up.

I’m not saying don’t declare it (you should) but thinking insurance companies go full csi on every claim is pure fantasy.
True, but for a few quid why leave the door wide open for the slippery bastids?

SteBrown91

3,121 posts

158 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
True, but for a few quid why leave the door wide open for the slippery bastids?
I agree, but just trying to dispel the myth that any mod will definitely be picked up and you will be punished with death belief by some in this thread.

TwigtheWonderkid

48,970 posts

179 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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SteBrown91 said:
I’m not saying don’t declare it (you should) but thinking insurance companies go full csi on every claim is pure fantasy.
They may not go CSI on every claim, but if you have a large claim, with tp injury or death and a potential pay out of hundreds of thousands, they will do. And the police accident investigator will too.

Antony Moxey

10,691 posts

248 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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I had to change when I had my Leon done as it was a higher percentage increase than Direct Line would insure for. They said because they had to cancel through no fault of my own I’d get the remainder of the policy refunded with no penalties. Went with Adrian Flux in the end, I think at renewal time my premium actually went down.

nekrum

588 posts

306 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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SteBrown91 said:
I find this pretty unlikely to be honest. Insurance assessors barely make the effort to come out to look at a car let alone scan it with specialist diagnostic systems.

If, for example you were involved in an accident, you were at fault and they think you were driving dangerously they might go to extra lengths to look into things, but mostly I don’t think a remap would ever be picked up.

I’m not saying don’t declare it (you should) but thinking insurance companies go full csi on every claim is pure fantasy.
Ultimately you don't know the severity of the accident you may be in until you're in it - if they want to check they can and will and they will find the car doesn't have a stock map.. if the accident is serious enough with personal injury or worst case lives are lost, is it worth the risk to suddenly find your insurance is voided and you face litigation for damages and losing your house etc?.. for the sake of a few ££..

Bobton125

313 posts

98 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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SteBrown91 said:
I agree, but just trying to dispel the myth that any mod will definitely be picked up and you will be punished with death belief by some in this thread.
100% agree

Assessors I’ve seen barely know what they’re looking at under the bonnet.

On topic, don’t some insurers use the term ‘chipped’ which I can’t stand??

Don Veloci

Original Poster:

2,190 posts

310 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Yeah, I've done non declaration in my youth and there is no way they're checking for minors.

Bigger chance they're checking for a major though, even I'm 100% free of fault.

Just trying to be more honest in my old age.

Escort3500

13,460 posts

174 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Bobton125 said:
SteBrown91 said:
I agree, but just trying to dispel the myth that any mod will definitely be picked up and you will be punished with death belief by some in this thread.
100% agree

Assessors I’ve seen barely know what they’re looking at under the bonnet.

On topic, don’t some insurers use the term ‘chipped’ which I can’t stand??
A friend’s son is an assessor and is very thorough where significant damage is involved (not so much on minor stuff obviously). He’s told me of quite a few cases where they’ve not paid out because the remap hasn’t been declared (sometimes along with other mods).

Blown2CV

31,639 posts

232 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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insurers will look for easy ways to refuse payout, even if it isn't something which contributed to damage or whatever, because it invalidates the policy. Plugging a OBD scanner in and checking a few quick details could save them £thousands. Don't listen to any half-baked idiot telling you not to notify your insurance. It's useless advice for the OP anyway as he is talking about very visible cosmetic mods not 'hidden' performance ones.

SteveStrange

7,652 posts

242 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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I've found that remapped cars generally have no change to insurance as long as the power hike (not torque) is less than 10%.
(2 x Saabs, 1 x Golf, 1 x Mercedes, 1 x French POS who's name I will not utter)

There is no actual definition for Stage 1/2/3/78.23 crap, so anyone using that sort of terminology should be charged double just for being a wally.